“Have you thought of using InDesign? It sucked up Framemaker.”
Yea, I bought InDesign 2.0 a few years ago when it was bare-bones. It has matured since then so I suppose I could get an upgrade. I suppose there’s nothing better for PDFs and ebooks since that’s Adobe’s baby, but I was hoping to find a more Mac-centric Cocoa alternative.
"Cross-references can now be had for only 99 euro:
I’ve not yet used it (I’m still using FrameMaker, and will until the end of times), but one of my collaborators has and is happy with it."
Cool! Thanks for that Paolo. That’s much better than the $1,000 or so Virginia Systems wants for theirs. That changes things.
“I can only really comment on tables. Occasionally I have to create 15 page or so documents that are basically a single two-column table, and I’ve tried pretty much every WP for Mac at some stage. None of them is great, but Word is the least worst.”
Yea, I know Word has good tables but I’ve lost data in the past when heavily formatted documents get longer than, say, 3-pages long. I really don’t want to go back to that nightmare. I have hundreds of legacy Word docs and I’m looking for a new home for them.
“- Mellel’s tables are terrible. Even the makers admit this.”
Yea, I agree.
“- Pages won’t split tables over, ahem, pages.”
Unfortunately, and Page’s TOC can’t be linked to the corresponding parts within the document. Otherwise I do like it.
“- Nisus is okay but you can’t tab through the cells as easily as you can Word”
That’s ok. Does Nisus allow for TOC links?
“- Neo’s similar, and of course rather big and clunky.”
I read a rather thorough comparative review a while back between FrameMaker, MS Word, and NeoOffice from a guy looking for for a Frame replacement on the Mac. Surprisingly to him, tho NeoOffice is supposed to be a Word knock-off, NeoOffice came out better than Word for most long-document stuff and even better than Frame in some areas.
“None of them is very good at using different styles within a cell, and of course there’s the ever present compatability problems, assuming someone somewhere is going to get aereated if they can’t open it easily in Word.”
True, altho that’s not a problem for me since I’m kinda a one-man show.
“I’m increasingly sending clients the resulting documents as pdf’s and asking them to use the Acrobat marking up tools. This also has the effect of stopping them inflict the god awful track changes ‘feature’ on me.”
Yea, I was thinking that if I can’t find something that does all the hyperlinks in the PDF, that I might go with NWP or Papyrus or NeoOffice and then do that sort of thing in Acrobat or PDFpen Pro whose newly released 4.0 version now does linked TOC, or use a different PDF alternative like pdf-Office made in Germany, or just bite the bullet and go with InDesign + Acrobat and deal with the learning curve.
Any thoughts on that from your experience? And thanks for your perspective.