Collapsing notes to their "title" / Adding comments / Hiding groups

Scapple is a virtual white-board - so, as Ioa says, there is nowhere for the text of the collapsed note to disappear to.

Indeed, but you will note that even with this slight tip of the hat to “grouping” (it’s really more fuzzy than that since the relationship between note and shape is not necessarily exclusive), in the form of magnetic background shapes, is still importantly not a way of obscuring information. Scapple is all face value, you can’t hide anything—at most you can fade it, but your ideas still take up that “physical” space in all cases.

This has been discussed before, if you’d like to read up a bit on the wherefores.

OK, I understand and accept the principles. As explained they have their own merits.
I also adopted the proposed way to achieve something similar to collapsing the notes by adding the note’s “title” as the note, then, If needed, create a new arrow-linked note with any extra info text somewhere else on the canvas, where I keep all of the other “extra info” notes. It’s not the same, but it can do.
I’d love though to be able to set the arrows/lines colors. Setting their color would serve the same purpose as setting a note’s border color, ie: conveying a specific meaning or status with each color. This would be helpful not only for this specific issue, but with any other link, allowing for instance to differentiate between a causality relationship link between two ideas and a timeline sequence link.

Also, I’d appreciate to be able to navigate through the links. For instance, SOMETHING+CLICKING on a link could select the connected note on the other side of the link and make it visible. If the currently selected note is considered as the source side, then repeatedly SOMETHING+CLICKING on the link would toggle between the two connected notes. Oh well, just dreaming :wink:

Thanks for your time and effort

Yes, this we agree with, and it’s likely something along those lines will be implemented in a future build.

It’s not quite what you are talking about, but note that Shift-Cmd-A will highlight all of the notes that are linked to the current one. At this point, if all of the connected notes are not on-screen, you can hold down the ‘Z’ key to zoom out while still being able to see all of the highlighted notes. Point the mouse at the one you want to visit, let go of ‘Z’, and now you’re at it.

In my experience, this combination of tools works quite well for what you are describing.

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Close enough indeed, thanks for the tip

Once you have a full board of idea, being able to regroup notes and fold them so that they take less space on the board would be really nice

Just unfold you need to jump into details

I’ve moved your post to an existing discussion on the matter. You can read the official response above, and as well I’ve compiled a list of additional discussions which go over the rationale for why this is not in the software:

Just bought Scapple. Great product, tons of potential.

Wondering if there is a feature or one to be considered where notes can be turned into a sub-note and attached to a main note. Sub-notes can have displayed or hidden visibility. When sub-notes are hidden, then when mouse hovers on the main note, all invisible hidden sub-notes attached to the main note are seen. When sub-notes are set to displayed, they resume visibility per normal.

This feature would allow managing and limiting the number of notes/branches created and viewed overall, improving focus on main higher tier notes.

I don’t think that’s possible, but you can create a node which is a link to another Scapple board. Would that be of use to you?

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Mark

yes, that would be helpful as a work around. I do think sub-notes that collapse/hidden-reveal functionality would be powerful and create a cleaner overall board.

The “sub note” concept was addressed in depth in some of those threads I linked to. Here is one short take on it:

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If not, is there any workaround ?
thanks in advance for your time and help

See AmberV’s post. Scapple is intentionally flat, and deliberately does not support “hidden” data like collapsible notes/branches.

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Notes can include links to other Scapple files, if you want. That could be a powerful workaround.

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good point. It would have to include backlinks

Giving Scapple the test run and like it I would like it if you could create subtopics that could later be collapsed and maybe a bulleted list. I start a draft in Xmind mind mapper then copy and paste it into Scapple. If Scapple and Xmind were combined into one program it would be perfect.

  1. The desire to be able to (temporarily) collapse parts of a map is familiar enough, but I would suggest that the dangling clause ‘and maybe a bulleted list’ needs clarification. Is that part of the same thought or a separate dream?

  2. The trouble with collapsibility in the Scapple context is this: maps in Scapple do not have a hierarchical structure. There is not a tree topology in the background. So, there is no underlying structure by which Scapple could determine what should hide when you ask for collapse at some point of a map.

  3. Incidentally, it also seems to me collapse is not so great a thing unless you are working in a mapping environment with automatic placement – which Scapple does not have.

1 The bulleted list and collapsable subtopics are two separate but related ideas. Workspaces can get very crowded my thought for instance in a detective story we can have a number of situations and suspects. When planning the novel each situation might have different facts branching out pointing to a different suspect. If you couldn’t collapse the sub-branches things could get very messy and hard to manage.

2 I understand what you are saying about no topology existing. I could see it being a major programing task.

3 For me collapsing is more about being able to maintain order and hide clutter when focusing on a different part of the document.

I create the main structure board and then use those notes as links to sub-boards which have the details. Works as a form of collapsing entries.

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Mark

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I’ve merged your post into the “master thread” for this particular request, but do note there are some other duplicates scattered around, with some further discussion, which I listed in this post, above.

Regarding lists, if you can set aside the ornamental nature of a bullet, then we do have a simple mechanism for listing in a nested fashion. Refer to §4.5, Stacks, in the user manual PDF. Don’t expect a list, expecting a listing layout feature for notes.