Cork Board Weirdness/Fun

I wanted to use the main editor to view my outline card stack that I use for…outlining, ie, documents that hold just a brief synopsis. I wanted to view all of my cards and card stacks in the main editor and then be able to click on a stack and have that stack expand to show all the cards in that stack in the alternate editor.
I tried for an hour to do this but to no avail, then, I accidentally dragged a stack of cards from the main editor into the alternate editor (both in corkboard view), and it worked! But why?

Is this normal behaviour? It is after all what I want it to do, how I want it to work, but why was it so hard for me to get it to work in the first instance?

When I set the alternate editor to look at one of my chapters and tried to switch it back to the mode I just described, I could not achieve the effect.

Okay, confused and obviously doing something very wrong here.

Thanks again for a great program. Still discovering scriv weirdness and interesting modes of operation.

I’m not entirely clear on what you are trying to do. Are you trying to set it up so that clicking on a stack of cards in one editor shows all of the documents in that stack (group) in the other editor? If so, you just need to tell the other editor that this is what is supposed to do - it can’t guess on its own. :slight_smile: By default, the editors display whatever is selected in the binder - binder selection affects whichever editor has the focus. If you click on the two arrows at the bottom of the corkboard or outliner, this tells Scrivener to open whatever is selected in that editor in the other editor. So, if you click on the two arrows at the bottom of the corkboard in the top pane, clicking on any items in that corkboard will open them in the bottom pane.

You can also open documents by dragging them into the header bar of an editor - it sounds like you did this, which is why the lower editor opened the group you wanted to view there.

I certainly wouldn’t describe it as “weirdness”. :slight_smile:

All the best,

Hi Keith,

Thanks for that, and yes, I agree, it’s not weird. I suppose this highlights the way that users experience/use the same program in different ways. For instance, I don’t do any MultiMarkdown in Scriv or scriptwriting. I use a custom scriptwriting package for that. Likewise, I have never had a use for the outlining or corkboard functions, I prefer to do my conceptual doodling and idea connections using bubble diagrams and an A2 sheet of paper and pencils. Computer GUIs and programs lack the flexibility and spontaneity that paper and pencil can generate so easily. So, I’d never used the corkboard or outline modes, until just recently, even though I’ve been using Scriv for some years now. So imagine my ‘amazement’ when I was able to group/condense down a number of cards into one stack, and then by simply clicking on the stack, have the cards expand out in the alternate editor. Likewise having outline view in one editor and clicking on a group and having it show me the set of cards in the other editor. Yes, I know about the little triangles that expand groups/folders. BUT, I didn’t know about those funny little bi-directional arrows that only appear at the bottom of the screen when you go into outline or corkboard view.

Also, there is really no mention of the use/application of these little arrows in the Scriv help manual. I checked under Index cards, Synopses/Outlining or the Getting Started using the Corkboard and Outliner texts. Maybe I am wrong here?

Anyway, glad it’s there (the arrows), so glad you made it a feature/function of scriv and so glad that I finally discovered it, even though you had to tell me how to use it properly.

Dare I hope for some new feature in scriv 2.0 that helps me organise my stuff, like the folder structure in the binder but something more specialised for us writers that will allow us to keep track of relationships of characters, place names, special made up names for things in our novels, where people live, etc. etc? At present I use the Keywords pane (totally incorrectly, I know, I know), as just a holder/organiser for my character names, planets, technology and all manner of other stuff that sf writers need to keep track of . The reason I use the Keywords pane is that it’s also available in full screen mode, where it floats nicely next to my white document and black background.

Sorry for the ramble and the wasting of precious development time.

Thanks again Keith.

Hi Steve,

You can already create folders in the binder to store information about characters, locations and so forth - just create another root folder, under the Research folder, or between the Draft folder and Research folder, and add any information you want. (In 2.0 you’ll be able to apply custom icons to folders.) Scrivener is not about forcing you into any particular workflow and so will never force folders for Locations or Characters on the end-user - instead it leaves it up to the end-user to decide if that is what he or she wants (although there will be more template projects in 2.0, I hope). There will be no special tools for keeping track of relationships and suchlike, though, no, as that really isn’t what Scrivener is about (I wouldn’t want to force it into being a fiction-writing-only tool anyway, even if that’s predominantly what I use it for).

Regarding the arrows at the bottom of the editor: A couple of our videos cover them:

They’re also covered in the section on “Views” in the Help file. I’ll also add a mention of them to the Help for 2.0 - they were something I invented early on in 1.0’s life span, but I don’t think I ever added them to the tutorial.

Also, if you hover your mouse over the arrows, you will see a tool tip informing you of their function. (It is, of course, impossible to draw every single feature of Scrivener to a user’s attention right from the get-go without overwhelming him or her.)

All the best,