Dear Sarah

Latte And Now For That Latte
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The America we know and love is not one in which your parents or your baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. :angry:

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I agree with you that we must stand by our North Korean allies and nuke South Korea and that awful Mr Phnom Penh. :smiley:

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We must defend our great nation and anyone who tries to steal our lies. We should hunt down all those evil aussies just like that Iraqi Taliban Ubama Bin Laden. :smiling_imp:

I hope you win the the president election in 2012 and prove that Mayans were right. Ohh, good, thank you, yes.

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There was a time – and it was not so long ago – that my fiendish inner voice kept saying, “Go, Sarah, Go. Get the party faithful behind you, and win that nomination in 2012.” What a boon to civilization, that the Republicans will therefore be so soundly trounced in the next election.

Alas, the more she talks, and the more people listen to her as if she were making sense, the more I wonder if she might not get elected after all.

So, here’s my question: What would LadyOfTheHouse and I need to emigrate to Sweden?

ps

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You have forgotten, haven’t you? Thirty years ago, that’s what every leftie was saying: “Go on, let them vote that silly Hollywood cowboy actor into office: the results will be so laughable that he’ll soon be thrown out and the Left will triumph!” … What was his name again? Ronald something… that’s right, Ronald Reagan!

Go for it.

best

JT

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No, I have not forgotten. In fact, my memory of our (US) history may go back further than yours. The first President I voted for was that weird old pinko named Eisenhower. And no, not every “leftie” was saying that; neither I nor any of my acquaintances. What we said, in effect, was that we still hoped for good things – rather a far cry from the tone of many “righties” after Obama was elected, don’t you think?

The only thing laughable, perhaps – assuming you don’t find humor in the desecration of Central America, for instance – was the Laffer Curve, which helped direct us into our present fiscal chaos.

As for his being quickly thrown out, you are mistaken there as well, at least insofar as it pertains to my post above. My point was, the public is so short-sighted and bling-crazy right now that, should Palin get elected, there’s every good chance she’d be re-elected. To preside over the ruins, I suppose.

And because Obama seems to be waffling and juking, he may go down in flames for having failed to extricate us instantly from the mess into which his predecessors led us. (Yes, including Bozo Clinton.) So two years from now, a Republican may get elected. If by then the Supreme Court has not returned to a modicum of responsible sanity, I might emigrate.

ps

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One can not return to a place if one has never been to that place.

Let’s keep in mind that an R or a D is only an association based on “least distasteful” options. One can be an R for many things and still vomit at the idea of a President P.

Instead of reducing all political questions do name calling I would like to see someone from any party lead an honest attempt to simply get us out of the mess we are in.

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How abut Sarah :smiley:. The mess we’re in is a plot from Russia. And who is better to handle that than Mrs Palin? As she opens her bedroom window in the morning, she can plainly see Putin rearing his ugly head from Siberia into Alaska. It’s just right over the border." She is a very educated woman who has read many newspapers and magazines. All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of her eyes over all these years. She’s an honest woman, who refudiates to be manipulated by media. And when she holds her speeches she doesn’t only use her mouth as many politicians do, but also her hands. Do NOT misunderestimate her.

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How about this?

Bloomberg stands as an independent (Obama stands again, Sarah is the GOP’s candidate). In a three-way vote, Bloomberg stops any candidate getting a majority in the Electoral College. So who then chooses the next President? The House! Whom will the (Republican majority) House elect? Sarah P! Hail to the Chief! :slight_smile:

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Bloomberg has previously said that he wouldn’t run to be a spoiler, only if he thought he could win. Moreover, he’s smart enough to see that running would make a Palin victory more likely, not less, and to be suitably horrified by the prospect.

Katherine

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In 2000 Nader said he wouldn’t run to throw the election…
Ambition wears blinkers.
But maybe Bloomberg has more foresight.

P.S. Reagan, when he stood for President, was already a substantial figure with eight years of experience in the most senior elected office in the most populous state in the Union.

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Don’t worry. Sarah Palin isn’t going to run for president – at least not seriously. Being a loose canon is much more lucrative than being president. Oh, she’ll get into the primary in order to get all the face time she can, then she’ll invent some excuse – the liberal media or something – to bail out, just as she bailed out as governor of Alaska.

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I always tell my kids, “Don’t go off appearances,” but bejeezus! That picture of the Palin clan, puts me in mind of a possible headline in the local weekly newspaper:

…[size=150]STOCKPORT COUNCIL EVICT, ‘NEIGHBOURS FROM HELL’[/size]
…AFTER TERRORISING NEIGHBOURHOOD FOR SIX MONTHS

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Bloomberg’s non-campaign campaign?

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I would be happy with the liberals actually earning their own money, you know get an actual producing job, actually pay some taxes, get off the government hind teet, quit demanding unemployment for 3 years, get off the couch, turn off opra, quit making policy that depends on “feel good” crap and quit being so politically correct.

The world would be a much better place and then everyone would actually have some “skin” in the game and we would quit looking towards political leaders with no experience and no common sense in order to solidify our “gubbermint” check every month.

And while Atlas is shrugging and the world economy is tanking, we can all feel real good knowing that those that work the least are the ones who we reward the most.

And as to Sarah being elected to president. I wouldn’t rule it out. After all she would be the “first” female president and judging last elections it seems that electing the “First” (Insert whatever here) is the most important thing rather than say experience, policy, capability, or even who they surround themselves with.

Electing Obama was a great thing, the unemployment is still 9.6%, we spend more money in the past two years than we have spent in the past 50 combined. We are broke, Europe is broke, and the small third world countries now want to have the UN “Govern” the internet, the “elite” want governments to control all facists of industry and finance, and of course we all need to “spread the wealth”.

The world is in the toilet and I do not blame the politicians, I blame the people. This is what everyone wants, this is the “utopia” everyone dreamed of and voted for.

Enjoy the poverty, the misery, and of course taking part in electing the “First” (insert whatever here) that helped bring the world to its knees.

But please don’t act surprised at how bad things are. This is UTOPIA! Round up a few community organizers, toss in some corporate backing, get some muscle from some labor unions, and then bus the people who havent held a job in a decade to the POLLS!

Then pass me a drink and tell me when the morons are done spending everyone else’s money on crack, tattoos, and meth so we can all watch the DECLINE in HDTV brought to you buy the pre purchased left media who will tell you this decline is a “good thing” just like they told you the planet is getting colder because its actually “warming”. Then when all the money is gone we can experience “Lord of the Flies” and “Animal Farm” first hand.

:slight_smile:

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And I would be happy if conservatives could put their Klan robes away for at least a few weeks out of every year.

Sheesh! Sterotype much?

As it happens, I’ve been on unemployment for a grand total of two weeks in my life, during my transition from tech startup employee (and taxpayer) to self-employed writer (profitable every year since, and therefore also a taxpayer), I don’t even know when Oprah is on, and I’m a political liberal who is actually pretty happy with President Obama.

I’m tempted to pick the rest of your rant apart piece by piece, but it’s Christmas and I’m in too good a mood to ruin it. But I will say that your previous posts seem far more intelligent than this one, and I would be happy to have a serious discussion with that other, more temperate Wock at some point.

Katherine

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“Suppressing Republican Voting and running Republicans out of office” It sounds like the democrats haven’t changed much. Funny how history seems to keep repeating itself…

I close with this example of the difference between a Liberal (Democrat) and a Conservative (Republican). What is there to discuss? This sums it up in a nutshell.

[size=150]For Our Democratic Friends: [/size]
“Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. We also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2011, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . And without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee. By accepting these greetings you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for herself or himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.”

[size=150]For Our Republican Friends: [/size]

Here’s wishing all of You a
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
God Bless You

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Wock,

While living in another country than yours, I guess I could be considered a ‘liberal’ (actually, I still keep my Communist Party membership cards somewhere – if you remember, communists where the insurgents who let American soldiers find Center and Northern Italy’s towns free from the nazi-fascists when they finally arrived. On the contrary, Italian new-fascists are the current friends of American conservatives :stuck_out_tongue:).

I’ve started having a paid job at 17 (while still studying), and have never stopped since then. My conservative government is asking me 29% of my gross income for retirement funds, and will grant me about 14% of my last income when I will finally retire at the age of 72. Total taxation is around 50%. My moderate-leftist region is paying a lot of money to the conservative country government, and is receiving next to nothing in exchange (including closure of the 2,420-years old state-owned shipyard, and halving of sanity, school and transportation funds). We are currently paying the wages for some other – conservative and often under-developed – regions supporting the central government.

So, I read your words with much surprise. Like some lines from a science-fiction novel – a message from Mars. More than stereotyped, they simply sound surreal. You will not believe it, but there are leftists who actually work. And not in their free time!

Also, I cannot understand if you are really stating that American problems started with Obama. Maybe I’m simply unable to read English in the finer details. As far as I remember, everything started under the Bush-Cheney administration, with the hedge funds, and the roots are in the ‘liberalizations’ of the Tatcher-Reagan era, when capital funds started to be considered more important than investments. In other words, when speculation became more important than raw work.

So, in the confusion of the current times, please let me wish for you a Merry Christmas, and a Wonderful Utopia :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Paolo

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You missed the part where the Dixiecrats became Republicans en masse thanks to the Civil Rights Act.

But I think I’m done here. Not worth the time or stress.

Katherine

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Katherine,

As a “conservative” (note the lack of explicit party) I see this boiling down to a discussion of “rights” to a large degree. The two that make me “conservative” are
• The right to not support causes and actions I find offensive.
• The right to keep the money I earned in MY pocket.

That said I also see certain “liberal” (again no explicit party) issues as actually lining up with those conservative points.
• Healthcare is a right and therefore should be provided federally with no $$ mandated from my pocket to a private company.
• Education is a right and there for should be provided federally with no $$ mandated from my pocket to a private company.
• Veterans deserve better care and support than is currently provided.
• We are not the world police, get us out of foreign conflicts that do not benefit the US directly.

If the politicians can find a way to convince me that they can do the rest of their agenda without violating my two rights then I will support it. But personally I am not inclined to support the folks in my town living off my taxes and using their foods tamps to buy drugs.

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No it started long before Obama. Obama is just a fine example of what is wrong with the mentality of Americans now a days.

It started with the “entitled” mentality. A good example is the taxes you mentioned you paid for benefits you receive. You are paying your share.

In America 47% of the people pay NO TAXES. In fact most of those 47% not only don’t pay a single dime for all the benefits they receive they also receive “tax refunds” every year paid for by the 53% who actually pay all the taxes. Now imagine if in your country HALF of the people did not pay a dime for anything and instead they demanded that out of YOUR paycheck you had to send them money BUT they get the same benefits you have to work hard for without doing anything.

Now take into account the welfare system in America which is poorly managed, poorly implemented and constantly exploited. We have 3rd generation families who use this system to get free food, free housing, free cell phones, in some states free cars, free internet, free college educations, and those 53% have to pick up the tab. Now the system was designed to help those in need and I believe in that. But it was supposed to be TEMPORARY. For times when someone was down on their luck or hitting a rough patch. Help them get back on their feet. But when you have families who are on their 3rd generation still collecting all those benefits paid for by those 53% you start to ask “Ok how long is this rough patch” and “Why is it your grandparents, your parents, and you for all these years has not been able to get a decent job?”. It is called exploitation. And it hurts those that actually use the system for what it was intended - TEMPORARY help. It hurts them because these “freeloaders” use up all the resources that could be used to help those that actually NEED the help.

Now look at unemployment. 26 weeks is long enough. That is plenty of time for a person to have a buffer to find employment. When you extend that to 99 weeks what happens is the person has no financial incentive to get off the couch and go get a job. Instead they try to cherry pick a job “They would like” instead of getting a job they need to pay the bills. They turn down the “hard jobs” because they are getting a paycheck for doing absolutely nothing and if they get a job they lose that free check so they wait, and wait, and wait, until that perfect job comes around or until they free check they receive no longer covers their costs or floats them anymore. If Unemployment was held at no more than 26 weeks the Unemployment rate in America would be a lot lower now and the economy would be recovering faster causing a domino effect in other countries. But instead we throw money most of these people never contributed towards the problem in hopes that will influence their VOTES to keep the politicians in power.

We can simply change this by making a few changes.
(1) The 47% that pay no taxes should NOT receive a refund. If you don’t pay in you don’t get any back.
(2) Unemployment should be capped at 26 weeks.
(3) Welfare should be capped at 3 years with a 6 month delay before you can reapply for another 3 years.
(4) Dissolve the two party system. Instead have Liberal - Moderate - Conservative. We vote for a representative NOT a party. This would allow each representative to freely vote on what his/her constituents elected him/her to vote on instead of ignoring the people and toeing the “party line”.
(5) Term limits on ALL politically elected people including Supreme Court Judges (12 years for judges and senators 6 years for House)
(6) Enact a law that states that before a bill can be passed it is given a reasonable time for review before voting. (2,000 page bill with 48 hours to review is stupid).
(7) Make every representative actually READ anything before they can vote on it. Not have staffers brief them on the highlights.
(8) Cut all corporate, special interest, and union influence from the political system.
(9) Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.
(10) Let STATES decide on issues such as Gay marriage, drug laws, etc. The federal government needs to stop trying to be big mother and put more power back to each state. That way people with common views can live in states with other people with common views and cut out the “trying to make everyone happy all the time” You cant do that across all 50 states but you can do a better job state to state because everyone is different.
(11) America needs to quit championing the whole world and giving tax dollars to foreign countries when we have people in our own borders in dire need. Let us help our own citizens first, then what is left over help those in need across the world.

But instead we cater to the 47% while we vilify the 53% for being successful.

One has to ask what will happen when those 53% get fed up?

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Yes I totally agree. I really miss those happy days when we had slaves. :frowning:

In Sweden we say: Sweden needs to quit championing the whole world and giving tax dollars to foreign countries when we have people in our own borders in dire need. Let us help our own citizens first, then what is left over help those in need across the world. :imp:

In Germany they say: Germany needs to quit championing the whole world and giving tax dollars to foreign countries when we have people in our own borders in dire need. Let us help our own citizens first, then what is left over help those in need across the world.

In Holland they say: Holland needs to quit championing the whole world and giving tax dollars to foreign countries when we have people in our own borders in dire need. Let us help our own citizens first, then what is left over help those in need across the world.

And so on and so on. Let’s face it. Rich countries should stop giving tax dollars to poor countries when they have people in their own borders in dire need. Let us help the rich country citizens first, then what is left over help those in need across the world. :angry: Or even better, let’s use this money to get more weapons so we can protect what is rightfully ours. Or why not use this money to bribe the poor countries governments so we get access to their natural resources.

Regarding the people without work, I say that 26 weeks is too long :imp: . They should have 13 weeks to find a new job, and if they don’t it proves that we don’t need them, and we should try to make some good use of them. Maybe turn them into soap or something. :laughing:

Aahh dear pigeon. If only more people would share our world view. :cry: Its not that we are selfish. But if we would give to others, then we would have less ourselves.