Displaying the number of pages in the project (Footer)

That is very regrettable. When you write according to a plot structure, it makes orientation and finding positions in the overall manuscript quite awkward.

The total number of pages (Project - Project Statistics) does not help here. I need an easy way to jump to a specific page because, for example, a plot point is planned there. Of course, this can be converted on the basis of the number of words (outliner) etc., but a simple selection of the corresponding page in the overall project would be much simpler.

I would be very interested to know how other Windows users solve this (it doesn’t seem to be a problem in Apple OS) or what workarounds I’m overlooking that would perform the same function in a simple way.

Thank you very much!

The “Scrivener-like” way to do things, on either Mac or PC, would be to have one index card /document per scene, with synopses detailing which plot points are where.

Yeah, I’d say page numbers have never been particularly important to how Scrivener works. The feature we added to the Mac version isn’t even that useful for what you’re talking about, it’s more a screenplay tool for judging about how long what you’re looking at is in estimated minutes.

It’s really not possible for a program like this to tell you what page you’re on, or to jump to a page that matches some external rendering, because there is no concept of that until it is compiled (which can radically alter the content) and opened in something that does page layout.

If during that transition to this new way of working you find it easier to continue depending on page numbers, periodically compiling a reference copy is probably your best bet, but I’d only use that as a transitional tool, because that’s kind of an awkward way of working.

Here is an older thread on the matter, which includes some testimony on how people use Scrivener, the kinds of tools that replace the page number based way of working, and so forth.

Thanks to all. I see that the topic has already been discussed extensively and controversially. My learning curve about Scrivener and its philiosophy still seems to have some potential :sunglasses:

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I create a Story Grid in the Outliner, containig columns with # of words per beat, percent in the story of all beats, and the sum of the words up to a certain beat.

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Here is how I go about it : (say I don’t feel like using the stats, that is.)
A page is roughly 250 words. (The page count can only be an educated guess anyways in a non wysiwyg software such as Scrivener.)
So it’s four pages per thousand words plus four pages for 750+ words, three for 500+, two for 250+, one for 250 or less.

The math is easy to do off of the word count. (97,478 is 390 pages. … 360 + 28 + 2)
That works for a novel.

If you compile to 8x11, two pages per thousand words should be roughly accurate.

If you want a precise count, no choice but to compile.
You can temporarily turn on page view, but you’ll still have to do with an approximation, as it doesn’t take changes per compile into account.

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As already mentioned up-thread, Scrivener is ill-suited to page counts, but one can use the Outliner view to track plot points via word count.

For example, see the method Silverdragon discusses in this post. I’ve somewhat adapted her approach, except I don’t use chapter folders.

Best,
Jim

Thank you all for the helpful input. I will now test some options to see what works best for me. Nevertheless, pagination features would be pretty high on my wish list for upcoming Scrivener releases :wink:

That is unfortunate, as the whole point is that Scrivener is not a WYSIWYG editor, and the page count is not and cannot be precisely known until you assemble your output document.

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Hi. New to Scrivener 3, though I have gone through the video tutorials.
I have a 400ish page manuscript loaded into Scrivener.
Would be very convenient to know roughly what page I’m on as I click on different areas/chapters in the manuscript. Is there a simple way to do this so it’s always on display (and not just when I compile or print)? Thanks.

Turn on View / Text Editing / Page View (Alt-Shift-P). It puts an approximate page in the status bar at the bottom of the screen. Is that what you are looking for? (The final page number won’t be known until you compile since the compile format will determine how many words fit on a page.)

Thanks for the response. That shows me what page I’m on in an individual chapter. What I’m looking for is a way to see approximately what page I’m on in the whole manuscript, so I can tell roughly how far along I am when different chapters or scenes occur. And if I select the manuscript and try ALT SHIFT P it no longer shows the page number in the status bar.

Finally came across this thread in Reddit, where a person on L&L staff explains that what I was hoping for is not possible in Scrivener: Reddit - Dive into anything

Work around. If select all documents in draft and look at word statistics will see total words and approx. number of pages based on though can change calculation. This would give pages in book. If do same thing but only select up to where you currently are would see current words and number of pages so far. Multiple steps but can get there.

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Thanks @GoalieDad. That’s an entirely workable solution for my needs.

Well, I thought that was a great solution . . . and it seemed to work perfectly on initial testing, but now when I try it again, Scrivener will only give me a page count for a single document. If I multiselect several contiguous documents (chapters) it will only give me a Word Count (which I can convert using the 250 words/page estimate) - but I’m not sure what happened between a few hours ago and now. Tried restarting Scrivener but get same behavior. And grouping several chapters in a folder still doesn’t let me get a page count for that group.

Maybe I’m remembering wrong, and it only gave me the word count before, but I sure thought it gave me pages for all selected.

Are you in Page View? It only works if you are.

Hi @kewms - as soon as I select more than one document, I get kicked out of Page View and Page View gets grayed out and ALT-SHIFT-P no longer does anything. If I go under View>Text Editing, the Page View option is grayed out and unselectable there as well.

This was explained in the thread already, though.

Hmm, it does look like there is some kind of break there, though. That should be working (otherwise we would remove the counter from that tab). I tried switching “Accurate (Slower)” on, which is necessary for that kind of counter, but it still doesn’t work.

It is also terribly annoying that this panel still cannot remember which tab you used the last time. I’ll have to check on that as well.

One thing to watch out for, if you are selecting ranges of items, is that the Count subdocuments checkbox is disabled in the Options tab. Reason being, if you select across a container and partially into its list of child items, that selection of the container triggers the counting of everything in within it.

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As Amber said using project statistics, selected documents will give you a page count for a selected group of documents. If you make a collection called work in progress. As finish a file right click and add to this collection.
Now when do statistics, select your collection include your current progress and hit Ctrl A to select every file in the collection. Then if hit selected documents will see the paperback page count for your work so far. See attached image. With a static collection, it is easy to add as you go. You can also adjust the words per page for the paperback option as well.

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