I am not exactly sure what your point is. I am certainly not denying climate change. Where did you get that from my text? I have seen it happen before my very eyes in the winter of 1972-73 when we had an unheard-of warming spell and rain in Northern Canada. And it has gotten worse since then. And where does pseudoscience come into the picture? 
Another user flagged your post, probably because of this paragraph. Iām explaining ā both to you and to the forum at large ā what is and is not acceptable.
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Both of those statements are false. If I may, allow me to explain ā¦
- And there is nothing that Americans can do about it because climate change is a natural phenomenon that has happened in the past.
Yes, climate change IS a natural phenomenon IF, and thatās a big if, you change conditions in the environment; in our case, the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Venus, if I remember correctly, is at ~800F due to the high concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a perfect example of what happens when there is too much CO2 in the atmosphere.
No one that I know of, including, Elon Musk, NASA, or any one else are planning any expeditions to Venus for that reason, as an alternative to Earth, if we are not able to stop climate change in time to make a difference.
And, Yes, climate change is a natural phenomenon that has happened in the past. But no one I know would want to live through ANY of the climate changes that have occurred in the past.
However, just because climate changes have occurred in the past does NOT obviate the relationship between high CO2 levels from human activity as not causing the current change in the climate that is currently underway.
A better correlation that you might want to consider is the income that the fossil fuel industry brings in every day as a reason why you may have been led to believe that humanity is not causing climate change. If we just consider petroleum, the US produces about 11 million barrels of oil A DAY. If my calculations are correct, at $72 per barrel (See Crude Oil Futures Price Today (WTI) - Investing.com for WTI), that comes to $72 x 11 million / day = $792 Million PER DAY, or $289,080 Million, or roughly $289 Billion PER YEAR. DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT?
And thatās just for the United States. Total world wide production varies at just under 100 million barrels PER DAY, or at $72 / barrel, ~$7,000 Million PER DAY, or $7.0 Billion PER DAY, or just over $2,500 Billion PER DAY, or $2.5 Trillion PER YEAR.
Thatās a LOT of cash! That kind of cash can buy a LOT of politicians, and support any causes, religions, laws preventing LGBT publications, prevent gun legislation, draft and pass abortion laws, take 20 year old medications off the market, stop the sale of birth control pills, and Ssooo much more (weāll have to wait and see what the ultra-right, fossil fuel extractors have in store for us as we get closer to elections.)
What we as citizens need to understand is how powerful the fossil fuel extractors are in our political discourse. They know perfectly well that their century long run of near endless cash will at some time in the not-too-distant future will come to a screeching halt.
They understand the implications of that ending, and they are desperate to find an exit that will allow them to remain as powerful as they have been since the allies won the Second World War (largely by pumping more oil than the Axis could, as Stalin so eloquently stated at the Yalta conference with Roosevelt and Churchill in 1944).
Their cash is funding a boatload of chaos (think Jan 6th).
So with about $2.5 Trillion PER YEAR reasons, they can dissuade anyone they may see, hear, meet, cajole, politick, commiserate, shake hands with, have a beer with, or otherwise socialize with, to believe that we are NOT causing climate change.
If I were one of the conservative Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, or California governmental entities or families whose fortunes depended on that kind of income of hard cash, I would do all that I can to do whatever I could to dissuade anybody I knew to ignore, deny, dissuade, condemn anyone talking about climate change associated with the emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, due to the very petroleum I am currently extracting from deep within the lithosphere of the earth, where the petroleum would likely have remained in place for another hundreds of millions, if not billions of more years, if not for my drilling and extraction activity. Perfectly natural to do so!.
- And even if this current climate change was totally caused by humans you have to get every country on board to make a change and that is not going to happen as is explained in this talk.
No, we donāt. Allow me to explain.
You have recited a powerful argument for business as usual, one that is defeatist in nature that is used to buy time for the extractors to continue extracting all forms of fossilized carbon for as long as possible until the weather becomes so extreme, as it is now happening in Alberta, Canada, that the oil and gas wells that are leaking so much natural gas (e.g. methane that happens to be two orders of magnitude more powerful as a GHG than CO2) that the oil and gas extractors have had to shut in production to save their investment in the oil and gas production facilities from burning up in the out of control fires that are burning throughout Alberta.
Even the oil and gas producers themselves are subject to their own local extreme weather patterns that are caused by the local release of methane from the oil and gas production (just as the release of unburned methane that avoided flaring in the Texas-New Mexico-Oklahoma region of the southwest U.S. in the 1930ās thus caused the dust bowl.)
The strategy (and this has been documented by recorded discussion with federal legislators) is to maintain a consistent volley of falsehoods regarding climate change for as long as possible, to continue to extract oil and gas (and coal) until they, for whatever reason, can no longer continue to extract the fossilized carbon. For only then will the flow of cash from the extraction of fossil fuels stop flowing, and those who have collected their cash will leave to wherever with boatloads of it.
What is then left of the know world as we know it will then have to deal with the chaos that the extractors of fossilized carbon have wreaked on humanity. The extractors will have theirs; all others can fend for themselves (they will have to work for their SNAP benefits!).
As for the need to āget every country on board to make a changeā, that will happen through tariffs on goods levied on those who produce the goods via the extraction of fossilized fuels, not likely by the U.S., but by the major economies who will levy such tariffs on their imports. How soon that will happen depends on how much the world understands what is happening, and realistically, likely as to how much damage each country experiences that the climate deniers can no longer convince those like yourself that climate change is not happening. I have no idea when that will happen.
But just today, I learned that France (who is experiencing a historic drought) is cutting flights on those routes within the country between cities where the SNCF operates the TGV (high speed trains).
So we all have a choice as to when we stop repeating the rhetoric protecting the fossilized carbon extraction companies, or we can continue to repeat such lies.
Itās up to each of us to decide what we will say and do.
Apologies for going on for so long ā¦
scrive
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I will admit up front that, having studied and researched climate change and the lies that the fossil fuel industry have promulgated since James Hansenās testimony before Congress in 1988, almost 35 years ago, that I am just a tad paranoid about the prevalence of the purveyors of said lies about climate change.
I might go as far as to think that if there were the purveyors of those lies here on this forum, their focus might be to waste the time of those of us who are actually working on the climate change issue. Iām not pointing a finger at anyone, but how annoying such activity would be if that were the case.
Iām sure that no one on this forum would stoop to such a low level as to continue to post such outrageous lies, denying the facts about how we are making our planet uninhabitable for countless generations with statements about the āCC hysteriaā.
Although I donāt believe for a moment what lies the fossil carbon extractors have been offering for decades, I donāt believe anyone on this forum would be as offensive as to waste our time by repeating such lies, or ever thinking that anyone on this forum would ever believe such lies were in fact in any way true.
Perhaps we need a way to flag a post as āwasting everyoneās timeā.
scrive
Be careful what you wish for.
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Oh, I didnāt mean that.
I appreciate the information, btw. I agree religion is on the decrease. The error is mine. I mean that there has been, since the start of the country, a tendency towards accepting religion and religion in power which has increased.
I donāt want a fight, either. I like it here.