I find the word "whilst" exceedingly annoying...

Personally I love anything idiomatic that is different from the norms of my own region. And whether affected or not, I think whilst is more beautiful than while. And I find it a weak argument to say that all phrases should be avoided which come off affected, because for each and every one of us language itself began as an affectation. If I choose to write in a style different from that with which I would speak—even if I choose to speak in a manner different from that in which I have previously spoken—I am affecting unnatural phrases or pronunciations, yes, but natural doesn’t always mean correct. Should we limit ourselves based on convention? Convention is very often wrong.

Take the word enormity. It is only through popular misuse that the word enormity has come to refer to size. Do we want its least adept practitioners governing the course of our language?

And this is off topic, but I find this annoying: If a person writes a book in one English-speaking country, and the book is then published in another, the spelling and some of the phrases are changed to reflect the norms of the country in which it is being printed. I suppose this is all very subjective, but I revel in the differences in our respective norms for spelling. If I, an American reader, come across the words colour or defence, will I not know what to make of them? Will it prove such a distraction that I can’t continue reading? I would rather see the words the author intended as he/she intended them. Nobody monkeys with Shakespeare. Why don’t we afford every author the same courtesy? If it is good enough for the originators of the language, why must we alter it to suit anyone else?

Having said this, though, if I wrote a book that became popular here in the States, and the book was picked up for publication in the U.K., I would have to insist that the words were changed to reflect U.K. standards. Only because I find them more poetic. Colour looks prettier with a u in it than without.

And a thought on denouncing phrases for sounding archaic— if someone chooses words which happen to be outdated only because our language has devolved to the point of being less aesthetically oriented, should they be criticized for their choices when it is really our own conventions that are deficient? If someone finds literary inspiration in Oscar Wilde, is he not truer to himself to seek to emulate Wilde’s style than to conform to the contemporary norms taught to him by his parents and schoolmasters? My parents and schoolmasters never once elevated my soul by simple perfection of word choice. My own words never gave me nearly the sense of awe and wonder that Shakespeare’s have. I would do myself a disservice not to carry him with me. Why should those who take more care with the beauty of language be the outcasts? They’re the ones trying to save us.

Literary inspiration is just another term for anyone from whom you’ve attempted to steal. And don’t misunderstand me. It isn’t that I believe that you shouldn’t put yourself into your work, but this is really a non-issue; people can’t help putting themselves into their work, whether consciously or not. If I attempt to give the reader a bit of Wodehouse, it’s not Wodehouse I’m giving him, is it? It’s Wodehouse corrupted and distorted, tainted by all my own experiences and biases.

I think the point was best expressed by Elvis Costello (and I’m paraphrasing): What I do is set out to write Beatles songs, and when I fail miserably I have something that’s uniquely my own.

My sentiments exfeckinactly !! Thank you Mr Weller :wink:
Amen
Vic

Sam,

Whilst I agree whole heartedly the answers to the above for the typical American is a resounding “Yes!” Since publishers are out to make money, not indulge you and me in literary self gratification, they are going to side with the majority.

BTW having vic-k agree with you is not all that good for your reputation here. When both vic-k and I agree with you, you are on a precipice of being completely discredited. You need to begin whatever rituals are part of your belief system in a hope that Wock will disagree with you. Otherwise the resulting trifecta will render all of your future posts to the mental rubbish bin of the sentient member of the scrivener community.

So which of us is the sentient member of the scrivener community?

About affected speech or writing, it only comes across as an annoying affectation (to me) if it’s used incorrectly or inconsistently. I have seen writing that used thee and thou incorrectly, and it really grates - more so than a common error in common use (such as improperly using me, myself and I), because those words stand out as unusual and draw attention to themselves. Making a common error makes you look a bit less literate, making an error with an unusual word makes you look pretentious.

If you’re going to use words or structures that are not part of your natural language patterns, make sure you’re using them correctly…

Wouldn’t you like to know? I can tell you three folks it isn’t!

I shall now go hide someplace whilst contemplating the propriety of correcting my typo.

How’s that for some affect-ion?

So can I! You two hillbillies and Dodgy Dave

If Vic-k relied on his natural language patterns, he`d be permanently barred from Scrivener for obscenity. :blush:
Fluff

Imagine if your natural language pattern was to never use verbs…

What you? I it. I you nuts.