You know what’s funny? I started inquiring about another missing feature from Scrivener. I mentioned how everytime I’ve done this in the past, someone always shows up to tell me to stop complaining. I was told that was essentially nonsense. And yet, not soon after, someone showed up to say stop complaining. An admin. And she was very adamant about it. So much so that she lied about the statements I had made and then blocked me from posting on that thread, so as to make sure I couldn’t actually defend myself.
What was it that got her so mad? I suggested that the developers of Scrivener added an option to include page numbers on the individual pages instead of only being able to do it when you compile you manuscript. And that was enough to get the admins mad enough to restrict my access. Yes, I am quite the criminal.
I feel so much better about not recommending Scrivener to clients because I can just imagine what would have happened if they had problems with the software and complained about it in the forum. Unlike the admin of this forum who cared nothing about the reputation of this company, I do care about mine.
To be clear, I in no way said Scrivener was bad software. I simply suggested that there may be places in which they could make some improvements. But apparently (and this is what was suggested), improvements of an unsanctioned nature go against the culture that surrounds this software. And the very idea that not everyone is a novelists and may way to use this software for more business-oriented projects is forbidden for reason I just can surmise.
So there you have it. I paid for this software on more than one occasion, but can’t freely use their forum to speak my mind because I don’t agree with the masters on high about what is acceptable discourse. Fine. Last dollar Scrivener will ever see from me.
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Mon May 17, 2021 12:16 pm Post
You set the tone of this recent discussion when you directly implied that professional writers need these features. So yes, you did the start the fire, and wandering around bemused over why everyone else around you is so “passionate” is not doing your argument any favours.
"Also, the idea that the Scrivener developers are only targeting a specific demographic that doesn’t include me is utterly ridiculous. How could such a business model be sustainable?"
It’s very simple, there are many ways in which people author content, and some of them have very little overlap with other methods. There are many people who write using org-mode, which is even less like WYSIWYG than Scrivener. A good business model does not imply attempting to reach the broadest possible definition, particularly when a grouping is so very large as “writers”. It may, but it does not always. Sometimes very specific implementations are what make a thing successful.
"You do realize they are in the business to make money, right?"
By ‘they’ you mean me? This is in part my project, and I do believe I can speak for its intentions. Making money isn’t the primary goal for us, and never has been. We’ve always been in this to make the best writing tool for people who are looking for a similar approach to writing as we are.
"Just because you have no interest in page numbers doesn’t mean that everyone who uses the software is drinking your particular mixture of koolaid."
Yeah, yawn. More fire.
But as I said before, that is how my writing methods work best, as an example of how your suggestion that we should just tweak a few settings to get things working more like a word processor is the solution. That you read this as a statement of absolute declaration meant to be applied to everyone is indicative of your overall attitude here. You think there is a “wrong” and a “right” to this question, and therefore if someone disagrees with you are they are wrong, or drinking koolaid, or unprofessional, etc.
So thanks to your behaviour here I’m locking this thread. There is no further benefit to discussion that essentially boils down to an Emacs vs Vim argument. There will never be a resolution to that, nor will there ever be a resolution between those who think word processors are the best way to write vs those that think word processors make a poor authoring environment.
That is why there are choices!