[Is there a] Female Dominance [in] Fiction [?]

I think one key detail here is “girls and boys”. These are young people 5-18 at an age where they have to read, and already the disparity is creeping in. It also goes on to note that, pre pandemic, reading enjoyment had reached a 15-year low, and any pandemic-related gain in enjoyment had been eroded by 2022. “This was particularly true for children and young people from disadvantaged backgrounds, and for boys within this group.”

That does not seem to me to be a happy trajectory. And the fact that disadvantaged boys are reading less than any other group, when it is the disadvantaged overall who stand to gain most from literacy and reading, really is a source of sadness to me, and I wish it could be different. That is my entire argument, wrapped up in one statistic.

I’m not sure how YouGov compiled their figures so I’m not going to question the findings, beyond expressing a little general skepticism as to the nature of such polls — sample size, sample selection, length of study, self-reported behaviour and so on.

I also (defensively? Almost certainly!) note that men go on to read proportionately more non-fiction that fiction. I’m not mocking that; I’m one of those men who has re-read Beevor’s STALINGRAD more often than might seem strictly necessary to an impartial observer. But really, I was thinking about the polyphonic nature of fiction, and how fervently I believe it would be wonderful if more young men read more of it.

Of course you can’t make young people read if they don’t want to and indeed, as you say, look at my own younger son. He grew up in a home that might as well been made of books, including walls of comic books, old and new. But the Playstation was his go-to.

But what I believe one can do, if one is sufficiently old fashioned, and has that insufferable streak of Fabianism, is to lobby to provide an environment such that young men are encouraged to read, as much as such a thing might be possible — and that this effort should involve engaging young men with books they might actually enjoy, rather than books we believe to be “good” for them, and we should be doing this as early as possible. (Roald Dahl understood this. He knew that snot was intrinsically hilarious.)

All of which is to say, it’s readers who interest me. The gender split of publishers and authors is of no ultimate consequence. The books are the thing. I mean, the two authors who I believe introduced more young people to a lifetime of reading than any other are Stephen King and JK Rowling.

I was not an admirer, still less a reader, of Harry Potter per se — and indeed I’d get all pompous and self-righteously irritable when I saw an adult reading one on the tube, because I was younger and a bit more stupid — but I like to at least imagine that as many boys as girls were swept up in the genuine joy of that phenomenon. (Insert books/magic gag.)

I get that you’re not concerned, and I also get that I’m fighting a hopless, reargard action that is tied up with my class politics, because I believe books to be a force for empowerment and indeed liberation. I also know that I’m self-relating: I know how discovering books opened up the world for me, made it bigger and wider and stranger and full of unguessed possibility. But once upon a time, I was a bookseller. I loved it more than I can express. When I worked in trade publishing, I ran a sales department. I loved selling books. I loved evangelising for them. I loved being part of introducing people to new books, and new authors and new worlds. I still do. Can’t help it. It’s in my blood.

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Although I’m not as convinced by the stats as others, (that 15 year low was only really a few %age points different from the high point, and was more a rollercoaster than a slope), I not only empathise, but agree with all you’ve put here, including the passion for telling stories.

Ah, if I had your talent! :slight_smile:

An unintelligent person’s thought here…

Is it possible that this entire “non-issue” is a symptom of survey bias? And not the bias of a bad survey, but one of “unwilling samples”?

What I mean by this is that public survey points are often intentionally avoided by some populations while they are mobbed by others. Is it possible that when compiling data, some of us simply ignore an around the table so we could read our books in peace?

I suggest this as I watch a local politician sit at a supermarket “asking for our opinions” but a bunch of folks are more annoyed by him being there than by his policies (I know they are annoyed because I will be drinking with them later). They will be missed in the data. In my mail I have 3 government surveys and one medical. All are in the trash bin. Sometimes people are too stupid to participate in needed data collection (notice the self indictment there?).

So Piggy’s numbers are nice but are they really accurate? We can look at employment or publishing or sales records but they don’t mean anything. I think this entire argument boils down to “why does chocolate taste better than vanilla asphalt?”

Buy a book. Read the book. Share the book with someone who’s can’t afford it. Discuss the book with others. Repeat. Problem solved.

Some people who agree with you argue that cultural anti-reading bias is therefore deliberate. The members of the educated classes both make sure that their children are required to read in school and give them access to whatever books they want. Attacks on “woke” literature in schools and the like are therefore disproportionally likely to affect the very marginalized groups who might find those books appealing.

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To me, the really saddening thing is that it is deliberate. But ultimately, it’s also infuriatingly well-intended — neither side of the political spectrum wants kids exposed to ideas they consider to be dangerous. (I do not include in this glib little analysis shouty people “commenting” on television and the internet, all of whom I wish would just shut up, go away and let the rest of us just get on with things.) But I think books, almost by definition, are filled with dangerous ideas, because all ideas are a bit dangerous.

In the 19th century, there was a simmering moral panic about young women reading too many novels; all those dangerous ideas, all those fragile maidenly minds. I had to look this up. It’s from A PASTOR’S JOTTINGS and, while probably a bit fervid, it’s not atypical in its sentiment — “I have seen a young lady with her table loaded with volumes of fictitious trash, poring day after day and night after night over highly wrought scenes and skilfully portrayed pictures of romance, until her cheeks grew pale, her eyes became wild and restless, and her mind wandered and was lost – the light of intelligence passed behind a cloud, and her soul was forever benighted. She was insane, incurably insane from reading novels.”

Around the same time, in the UK, there were serious concerns about the working classes reading lurid and seditious Penny Dreadfuls. In the 1950s, a bloke called Wertham wrote a book called SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT, about the moral harm done to young minds by comic books; this lead to the establishment of the Comics Code Authority and, not least, the sad ruination of EC’s line of horror comics. The peerless Judy Blume copped it in the early 70s, for her book FOREVER. In the 1980s, people got a bee in their collective bonnet about Satanism in horror and fantasy fiction. (It’s strange how that Satanic Panic has been so comprehensively memory-holed, primarily I think because most of those concerned are rightfully embarrassed.) And let’s not forget Tipper Gore’s Parents Music Resource Center, a campaign to bowdlerise rap lyrics. Not only rap lyrics… but, y’know. Mostly rap lyrics.

What these idiots have in common is the infuriating well-meaningness of their priggishness; and that instinct abides, I think. Ironically, as you imply, the best defence against idiocy and priggishness is free access to books. Or so my Lord and Master Satan tells me.

(Joke)

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I think some of the Satanic Panic people have moved on to trans panic, which is unfortunately more likely to hurt real people.

I saw a meme recently captioning the PMRC’s “Filthy Fifteen” as “Best Mixtape Ever.”

Which reminds us all that the best way to give a piece of media that whiff of anarchy is to tell the intended audience that they aren’t allowed to read/watch/listen to it.

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High rates of divorce and boys raised by single mothers. What effect might that have?

I am glad to know that your local public library is alive and well. Unfortunately the main branch of the public library that I used to visit as a child and haul back as many books as was allowed has now turned into a makeshift warming shelter. The last time I visited most of the shelves were empty and I saw people with their luggage trying to sleep sitting up. I looked for a very expensive art book that I had donated a few years before and it was absent - did mention I that a lot of formerly filled shelves were now empty. It is a sad situation.

I should say that I neither write or read fiction. My motivations for writing are very different. Mine is a niche subject and to me it is more important who reads it rather than how many read it. How many read Marx’s Communist Manifesto? But it only took one Lenin to read it and change the world (for the worse in his case).

I don’t expect my writings to be on any ephemeral best seller’s list, nor do I expect to make any money. It is a labor of love and my objective is that it be a “go-to” text in the subject for my specific audience for centuries to come.

A female perspective. The comment section is interesting.

This is one of the interesting comments:

Hi, I’ll bring you my experience as a literature teacher in an Italian high school.
In Italy the percentages of readers are 63% women and 37% men.
Mine is a high school with multiple scholastic courses, which means that there are kids who study foreign languages (Linguistic Lyceum), some ancient languages (Classic Lyceum), some more scientific subjects (Scientific Lyceum), some subjects like law and sociology( Human and Social Sciences Lyceum).

Last year, as a sum of literature teachers, we carried out percentages and studies on the readings of our students (in total there are 2134 in our High School). We have noticed that there are differences in the tastes of our kids (14-19 years old). Books with romantic themes such as Wuthering Heights, Pride and Prejudice or others are appreciated by 82% of girls and only 26% of boys. Other books such as 20th century fiction such as Steimbeck, Calvino, Verga the opposite: 76% of boys appreciate it while only 27% of girls give it a positive rating.
Where do we find appreciation on the same levels? In medieval Italian literature books such as Dante Alighieri, Petrarca, Cavalcanti (80-85%), Greek/Roman myths and epics such as Homer, Virgil and Ovid (83%-90%) and in historical or very modern novels such as Primo Levi (Shoah survivor) or The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini (both above 90%)

In our school every 10 years we give a renovation to the library and we ask the students for books. So one surprise day we asked all our students for 10 book titles.
We were amazed by the result.

I repeat 2134 students of which 1121 girls and 1013 boys.
We realized that we were full of prejudices towards our male students.

The males suggested 877 different book titles ranging from fantasy, Sci-fi, historical, philosophical, classics, scientific essays, contemporary Italian, French, Portuguese, Spanish, German, Japanese fiction. Crime fiction, Thriller, horror, graphic novels and poetry.

From girls, however, only 132 titles arrived, all romance, young adults, romantasy, dystopian, retelling of myths with the addition of some classics and poetry.

What we have noticed is that almost all the girls’ titles are the most famous titles of the moment or of recent years, they are all titles that can be found on social media or on booktuber/booktoker channels. This got us thinking. Maybe girls are more subject to trends or FOMO even for objects such as books or the emotions that the aforementioned books can give?

Are the guys perhaps freer to choose the books of their passions without feeling judged because their friends don’t care about what they read or maybe they don’t talk at all about books with friends?

Are our female students like many booktubers/booktokers who all have the same bookcases with the same books buyed like clothes on Shein, do they all have the same candles on the shelves? Do they all have the same IKEA trolley for the TBR? We don’t know how to answer.

The only thing we know now is that yes our girls read more ( because some males did not compile the list or did not write 10 but 5 or 6 titles) but we have found that they read with much less variety than their male peers.

Naturally this is limited to a provincial high school in Italy with a pool of 2134 students. But it would be really interesting to delve deeper into this topic.

Which is fine, but makes your work somewhat orthogonal to this entire conversation. Subject matter experts (in any field) mostly don’t care (or need to care) what “the masses” are reading.

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot. It asks a lot of important and fascinating questions, none of which has an easy answer that I can see, and is full of insight.

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I have made it well known at various times over the years that I neither produce nor consume fiction. I have nothing against those who do, I am just not one of them. And, who knows, I may at some point write fiction using what I know. I have toyed with the idea but I doubt it. Too much to do in the real world.

My work is not a piece of writing designed to meet the taste of an immediate public, but it was done to last forever.- Thucydides

I may be perpendicular to others, and thankfully so, but it also has to do with other factors. One is to be faithful to the discipline that I represent. – Do I want to change society or be changed by society? Another point is that my philosophy when it comes to writing (or anything I do) is to write a book that I would want to read that I would like. This has worked admirablely for me when applied to other aspects of my life: I cook what I like to eat and I cook well - there are no leftovers. And I made a website that I would want to visit – one that is highly didactic and educational but also simultaneously aesthetically and visually stunning. Similarly, I want to write a book(s) that I would like to read, that pleases me. Not one that others like but I would not read. A book that I wish had been available 40-50 years ago when I was just beginning, A book that will bring about a Paradigm shift.

Even in my field, some play to the audience, for popularity whereas I play to the subject, and for the pleasure of God.

Having said that I was surprised by the reaction my original post had on the fiction writers. And while I personally decided to give up fiction at age 19 as a conscious decision - I do understand the power of fiction for good or evil on the human experience.

Perhaps you overlooked this bit.

Thank you for checking.