Matias Tactile Pro 2

Concerning the keybaord action- Here’s the thing: The sound is actually not even necessary. It is the tactile feel feedback that we crave. I have been looking for a keybaord with the same action as one I still recall from the early 80s hooked to an IBM terminal. It was one of the very first color terminals. Apparently they went all out on this one. It had the best keybaord I have ever used to date, and there are days where I am on the keyboard for over 12 hours at a time.

It had a most distinctive “thunk” reaction when clicked. In order to better understand, imagine this; Picture a small hammer with a weighty head, covered with a 1/16" layer of real rubber. Strike a metal anvil, and that is the effect of the feedback. I never missed a stroke on that keyboard and it was wonderful to work on. While I did indeed notice it at the time, I had no idea of just how special this was until over the years I sought this incredible feedback again in vain.

If anyone has ever tried this keyboard or has any idea if one could be obtained, please chime in. I just can not stand the very high pitched “clicky” sound of the newer keyboard, though the feedback is indeed nice to have over the much that comprises 99% of all current keyboards.

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Oliphant:

The Tactile Pro actually has the mechanical switches you speak of. I can attest, from using the original, that the feedback is very similar to those old IBM keyboards.

Speaking of sound, I played that MP3 for my wife over the weekend (during a conversation in which I tried to casually slip in the fact that I’d spend $150 on a keyboard). She told me that there are two sounds in the world that drive her insane. That key sound is one of them.

The other, oddly enough, is the sound of someone shaking a salad in a Tupperware bowl. I have no idea what that’s all about.

One point: The keyboard I mention definitely is NOT the model M. (Hey, I knew Model M , he was a friend of mine, and YOU sir are no model M!)

It was actually a keyboard for a mainframe terminal. The “key” (ugh) here is that this terminal was one of the very first IBM COLOR terminals that was made. I would guess the year at 1983 or 1984. Possibly this will help if there is anyone that may recall or come accross one of these keyboards.

As it is, I am thinking of actually modifying one. Who knows, if I had enough takers, I am sure that anyone who tried a keyboard with the feel of what I am describing would pay two or three times the price of any current keyboard. VERY high tactile feedback with almost no click sound, and the sound that was there was pleasant. ie. on a scale of 1 to 5 this sound would not only be a 1 but would even be pleasant as well, being low frequency “thud” instead of the incessant “click”.
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The Tactile Pro actually has the mechanical switches you speak of. I can attest, from using the original, that the feedback is very similar to those old IBM keyboards.

Speaking of sound, I played that MP3 for my wife over the weekend (during a conversation in which I tried to casually slip in the fact that I’d spend $150 on a keyboard). She told me that there are two sounds in the world that drive her insane. That key sound is one of them.

The other, oddly enough, is the sound of someone shaking a salad in a Tupperware bowl. I have no idea what that’s all about.
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This will feature prominently in my nightmares tonight, and like you, I have not the faintest notion of why!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I was so sick of misspelling and missing letters (especially T) on the Apple keyboard. Probably my fault, but still…

After that suggestion I bought an icekey and it’s A-mazing. Fast and precise, I feel like I’m typing on my iBook keyboard: in control.

Thank you again.

You’re welcome, Luciano!

Dave

I’ve had a Tactile Pro for abput a year. Love it. I like that fact that when things get moving, you can belt the keys. There’s something about hammering out words, rather than ticky-tacking them out, or squishing them out in the case of the standard Apple keyboard.

All:

My Tactile Pro 2 just arrived. It’s all set up and… wow, it’s loud. Like, really, really loud. I’m kind of excited about it (nerd alert). It really feels like I’m typing, which is very satisfying.

Once I’ve typed on this thing for awhile, I’ll post a detailed impression if anyone’s interested. As it stands, Matias is all sold out of their first run, so we all have a little time to judge the thing before any of us runs out and buys one.

S

Yes, please, post a review. I’m currently using the IBM M keyboard, which is loud, and very satisfying to write with, but being an old keyboard (more than 20 years) it has some compatibiliy issues with my MacBook Pro.

For what it’s worth, I just came across this rather scathing review of the Matias Tactile Pro 2 on Low End Mac:

http://lowendmac.com/misc/07/0618.html#4

That’s sad. I had some hopes for the Tactile Pro.

I’ve posted some thoughts on the MTP2 here and elsewhere, but thought I would write something more definitive.

The short version: I feel simultaneously ripped-off and satisfied.

The long version: The ripped off part comes from the issues raised in the review cited above. The MTP2 I received in the mail was not the keyboard I thought I was buying, plain and simple. It lacks the promised Optimizer key, and the USB 2.0 “Dock” is… well, it’s hole. One USB 2-equipped hole. In my mind, that’s a port, not a dock.

I did get an email the day before they shipped my keyboard that offered me a choice between the white and black versions. Careful reading of the email does, in fact, reveal that the Optimizer key is not on the list of features. But that information is hinted at in a very vague way. It’s not a “Dear Sean, full disclosure here, the white keyboard no longer has the Optimizer thing, but the ugly black one does.” It was more like “You want white or black? Here are some features.” I chose white.

I feel like a kid who discovers that the X-Ray Specs he bought from the back of a comic don’t really let him see through his neighbor Kim Townley’s dress, which sucks because, I mean, you should have seen this girl. Now I’ve lost my train of thought.

Oh, right, so I buy this $150 pair of X-Ray specs. Caveat emptor, I guess. Still, it was shitty of Matias. .

That said, as I type this, I am happy. Every click of the key feels distinct and precise and real, and the mechanical switches really do help me type without looking down at my hands. I’m not sure why – it might be some sort of physical-connection-to-the-process mojo, the way that soup warmed by a flame tastes better than soup heated in a microwave. The Zen of the Real. More likely, it’s all in my head.

Yes, the keys rattle a bit. But they also clack and pang and echo, and when I get on a roll, the sound is a hurricane of noise and productivity.

Yes, the legs on the underside do feel a little insubstantial, but aside from a morbidly obese cat who sleeps on the keys when I forget to close the drawer, they rarely bear much weight.

So, to sum up in the great Macworld tradition:

Cons: Expensive. The smaller features promoted in their initial advertising are not at all as promised. Instead of fessing up, the company tried to finesse its customers. And by finesse, I kind of mean “lie to”.

Pros: It’s a dream to type on this thing.

Would I buy a MTP2 knowing all I know now. Yes. Maybe. I don’t know. I’m not sending this one back though.

I forgot to add to the above:

Matias does provide a software “fix” of sorts for the Optimizer key issue. It essentially turns the Caps Lock key into the Optimizer key, and relegates the Caps Lock function to an Optimizer key combination (Optimize + ?).

Because I use caps lock a lot – and, if I’m being honest, because the whole thing ticks me off and the “solution” is inelegant – I have chosen not to activate Optimizer.

I get angry every time I think about this. Fortunately, when you mad-type on this thing, it feels pretty satisfying. Unfortunately, Matias has given me ample opportunity to find this out.