thanks for your reply keith.
as i stated, the way of doing what i wanted as described by the two original answerers to my question, whom i thanked, is what i ended up deciding was the way you were meant to do it. any implied criticism of the way scriv handles things you have gleaned from my words is undoubtedly a result of my lack of understanding of scriv’s way of doing / naming / stucturing things.
but then, that was the point, and if you’re willing to listen to my experience, as a writer experienced with many other tools trying scriv for the first time, rather than a member of it’s undoubtedly well deserved mutual admiration society of already scriv-experienced initiates, then it’s possible there could be some tiny piece of useful information in my initial experience somewhere.
because i think scriv seems great enough to be worth my spending the time it will take to explain this properly, i will detail the experience, and what seemed inconsistent about it, below. i hope you have time, in responding to the undoubtedly huge surge of work generated by scriv 2’s release, to cast an eye over it.
so first i fired up scriv 2, chose the ‘multi part novel’ template and began to play. pretty quickly thought “nice” . now, to explain how my confusion over this question arose…
where you make the statement: “…the general intention is that each .scriv project is a separate writing project…” is fine and dandy, but I, and possibly some other authors, consider a series, or even a series of series, of novels, set in the one world with many interrelated and overlapping characters, locations, plotlines and research, to be a “separate writing project”. and the first thing i tried to do was add a second manuscript to the project.
since the novel with parts template had given me a top level folder named “manuscript” which contained the template novel with parts structure, i first assumed that to have multiple novel manuscripts in the project i should add a new manuscript. so i look in the context menu for the project under “add”… no possibility to add a manuscript, only chapters, parts etc., subsections of the given ‘doc with parts’ template… so i look on the main menu, no possibility to add a manuscript there, so i go on to try all the right click menus and any other place or button i can find seeking “add manuscript”, but find nothing.
now at this point two things occur to me, i’ll explain the interesting result of the first below, but the second was “all the working text in an entire project must have to be held in one of these things scriv calls a ‘manuscript’, so i must be meant to create extra sub folder levels under ‘manuscript’ to hold each separate novel”… this approach was then confirmed by the excellent answers received on your forum here. (btw, these forums with their helpful folk are immediately apparent as one of scriv’s greatest assets.)
so what you say is strictly true, scriv does not force a kind of structure (single novel) on me, it just insists on calling something (all the working/draft text in a project, even comprising multiple novels) ‘manuscript’ that is different from what i think of when i say ‘manuscript’ (which is the working text of an individual novel).
fair enough, no biggie, but in this case there is one major (and i think quite worthwhile) suggestion i would make to improve scriv 2, and one thing that puzzled me that i’d like to point out.
the suggestion, is that since your templates, rightly, contain the concept of ‘novel’ as one of the building blocks of a writing project, this level of ‘writing project building block’ should be naturally reflected in scrivs project handling choices. in other words, there should be an option called “add novel” (which is really what i was looking for when i failed to find “add manuscript”), that allows you to directly add a new empty “novel” structure under the “manuscript” root. yes, you can create one by hand, by making the folders and naming them yourself, or by making a ‘novel’ folder under ‘manuscript’ and copying the empty novel starter framework there, but, it should be a simple, direct, choice to “add” one (or a second screenplay for a series scriptwriting project or whatever), just like it is for the other structual elements of writing that scriv has blessed with menu actions for creating.
not having that option to add a top (or, to scriv, second) level writing unit is what led to the whole confusion over scrivs way of structuring things in the first place. since i am allowed to have multiple novels (or screenplays or scripts) in the project, why not acknowledge that and be consistent in allowing the easy creation of an empty one with a menu choice like all the others? not having it so is quite counter-intuitive.
ok, last piece of “new to scriv, first try-out” feedback. the first thing that occurred to me when i couldn’t find how to add an additional “book level unit” to my project, was "ok then, maybe i should just copy “manuscript” as a second “manuscript”.
i did this, by choosing “duplicate” from the menu while “manuscript” was selected, and it almost worked. it created a duplicate folder structure called “manuscript copy” with the title page and the contained novel structure all duplicated. then i found i couldn’t give this second “manuscript” a manuscript icon… then i noticed, more importantly, that when i selected the first “manuscript” i saw the “Project Notes (General)” in the sidebar, but when i selected my copied “manuscript” it owned no “project notes”… at this point it became apparent that although i could duplicate “manuscript” (which seemed sensible) scriv considered it’s first/original/canonical “manuscript” to be a special case that owned something called “project notes”… it was at this stage that i gave up on creating a second manuscript folder and decided that perhaps scriv wanted me to build all my novels (which i think of as manuscripts) as children it’s special first “manuscript”, which must really be the “project draft texts root”, since you could only have one of them that scriv would recognise as a special singular entity that owned a project level thing called “project notes”.
undoubtedly all a comedy of errors and misunderstandings on my part. but one i fell into by following intuitively obvious steps…
anyway, whether i end up deciding to move all my work into scriv or not, i think it would benefit greatly by handling the novel/screenplay/script/book level of structure more consistently with the other lower levels of book structure.
your/scrivs idea of what constitutes a “separate writing project” sic (a single book) is not necessarily consistent with everyone else’s (for me, and perhaps others it constitutes a series of books or works sharing a world). it’s great that scriv does allow me to treat as a project what i think of as a project, but since it does have the strength of allowing that, it should treat the ‘book’ level of structure consistently, as a unit of structure that many may wish to have more than one of in a project.
and thanks for your awsome effort in creating something as interesting as scriv,