Need some 'Compile' Help

[driver49]

Even as I type that new subject header, I see that there are several threads already on the subject of Compile, and I will avail myself to those threads as well as other resources. However there are a few specific things I had trouble with when compiling my project into a .pdf, so with y’all’s indulgence I’ll ask those questions here:

1. When I get the project to the printer, I want to use double-sided printing. But there are some pages, particularly in the front of the book, where I want one side printed and the back blank over several pages. I inserted page breaks, but still had to create a ‘blank’ page and put at least one character on that page or Scrivener ignored it in the compile. Is there an easier way to assure that certain pages are printed single side while the rest o the project prints double sided?

2. I have been creating footnotes as I go along. When I Compile the project, the footnotes all appear on the page with the citation. When I get to the end-stage of this process, I’ll want to put footnotes in their own back-of-the-book section. Can Scrivener do that?

3. Is there any way to get Scrivener to generate a Table of Contents?

Those are my questions for the moment, I suspect any answers will further illuminate my mastery of this back-end function.

Thanks,

–PS

[kewms]

Use the <$BLANK_PAGE> placeholder to create an intentionally blank page. See the list of placeholder tags on the Help menu for more information.

To create endnotes instead of footnotes, choose the appropriate option under the “gear” icon on the right hand pane of the main Compile screen.

Chapter 22 in the manual discusses Tables of Contents in detail.

[drmajorbob]

@driver49

I see that there are several threads already on the subject of Compile

There are thousands.

These workflows may be of use. The first is a comprehensive end-to-end fiction compile with chapter numbers, titles, epigraphs, POV-specific headers, page breaks, etc. The second compiles chapter titles, epigraphs, and synopsis entries and illustrates Scrivener’s ability to give you very different exports from the same content.

Chapters, Headings, and all That

a synopsis/epigraph report

Also watch Literature & Latte’s Compile tutorials. Four videos, 22 minutes, can make a big difference.

Getting Your Work Out

[driver49]

Chapter 22 in the manual discusses Tables of Contents in detail.

There’s a manual??

[drmajorbob]

@driver49

There’s a manual??

Click help and select the manual.

[driver49]

It has been a week since I started this thread, I’m glad to see it’s still open.

I have followed all (well, most) of the suggestions above. I watched the video tutorials that DrMajorBob recommended, and have a much better understanding of all the panels in the Compile modules. I’m studying the Placeholders options that Kewms recommended and have already improved my output with that {back page} tag.

Now I have a couple of fresh questions:

1. Is Any way to export / compile footnotes without the whole doc? A lot of my footnotes are URLs, and I want to create a ‘resources’ page on the website that accompanies my project. It would be handy if I could export just the footnotes to get that started,

2. Speaking of footnotes: when I get a total word count, does that include all the words in the footnotes, too?

3. Speaking of footnotes (2) one time when I compiled the doc, the footnotes all had Roman numeral notations. Another time they were Arabic numbers, which would of course be my preference. I don’t know what I did different. How do I assure those numbers are Arabic?

4. My book has some ‘Front Matter,’ and I have created a Section type for those pages. I would like those pages to have Roman numerals, and the Arabic page numbers to start with the first page of the Prologue that begins Part 1. How do make that happen?

I will return now to the other links y’all have kindly provided, and I’m also R’ingTFM .

Thanks,

-PS

[driver49]

I just thought of one other thing I’m gonna wanna do:

I want to add headers to each page. When printing double sided, I want the left side (even numbered) pages to display the title of the book and the page #. I should like the right side (odd numbered) pages to display the chapter title. Is that easy to do, or do I wait until I’m in a book design program (like InDesign) to do that?

Or… just RTFM?

–P

[drmajorbob]

Headers, footers

[driver49]

I don’t think I’m completely stupid, but this link and the instructions it leads to have me completely flummoxed. The first instruction is

Compile → Page Setup → Header & Footer Text

… but as you can see from the attached screenshot:

… From ‘Compile’ I can’t get anywhere close to the window/text box you’re showing here. I looked in Project Settings - that’s not it either.

So please kindly tell me what I’m missing here? I think I can follow it from there, but I just can’t seem to get past the first step.

Thanks,

–P

[kewms]

Right-click on the Compile Format you’re using and choose the Edit (or Duplicate and Edit) option. That should give you the screen from the left half of your screenshot.

[driver49]

<sigh> I knew it was going to be something painfully simple. Thanks for the quick reply.

[BigJohn]

driver49, The Forum folks are great here and have already put up with a lot from me and they don’t seem to have lost patience yet. It is apparent you are willing to do your homework even as you ask for answers. Don’t lose heart.
Good luck on your current project.
-Big John

[driver49]

I appreciate that and agree entirely. I thought I knew my way around Scrivener well enough to get a 100K-word project written, and now I’m discovering there is this whole OTHER program on the back-end that has just as steep a learning curve. More questions arise with every click… !

[driver49]

And now… more questions!

I am into Edit Format window. I wish to have different Header/Footers for different Sections (or in some cases none at all). But I can’t get my defined Sections to show up in the ‘Headers and Footers’ dialog.

All I see are the default values: ‘First Pages’ and ‘Main Body.’

I have defined Sections such as ‘Title Page,’ ‘Front Matter’, ‘Chapters’, ‘Parts Headers’ and ‘Back Matter’ - how do I get those to show up as my options for defining Headers and Footer?

The example I’m following shows 5 different types of Sections. How did they get there?

Also: I wish to change the font size in Headers. The first time I clicked on ‘Helvetica 12’ I got the Format Font window. Now nothing happens, and I can’t change the font size. Wha Happen there?

Thanks,

–PS

[drmajorbob]

You can’t give every section its own headers and footers … only front matter, back matter, and everything else, none of which is a section type. To use facing pages, etc, you first have to turn them on in the Options pane of Page Settings.

[driver49]

So, no headers for ‘Front Matter’ - check.

Headers for ‘Everything Else’ - but what about pages that are just ‘Parts’ titles/opener pages that I don’t need or want Headers on?

And Back Matter - haven’t really gotten there yet.

So I guess what confuses me now is: I thought defining Section types gave me some control over the appearance of each Section, now I guess you’re saying ‘not so much.’ But… how do I declare what is ‘Front Matter,’ ‘Back Matter’ or ‘Everything Else’ is not in the Sections?

What else has me confused now is that you say there are only 3 options for Header/Footer, but the illustration in the page you linked me to shows FIVE possibilities:

… of which only ‘Back Matter’ conforms to the 3 categories you listed above.

So, still mystified.

And grateful for your patience.

Thanks,

–PS

[drmajorbob]

@driver49

So, no headers for ‘Front Matter’ - check.

I didn’t say that. Here’s an image you posted in a previous reply:

@driver49

what about pages that are just ‘Parts’ titles/opener pages that I don’t need or want Headers on?

Read the notion linked at the end of this. The first page of a section is treated as one of the 5 options.

@driver49

I thought defining Section types gave me some control over the appearance of each Section, now I guess you’re saying ‘not so much.’

Not so much for headers and footers. Section layouts determine formatting for the text, not the margins or things in the margins.

@driver49

how do I declare what is ‘Front Matter,’ ‘Back Matter’ or ‘Everything Else’ is not in the Sections?

In the contents pane of Compile:

@driver49

the illustration in the page you linked me to shows FIVE possibilities:

Read the notion.

page numbers, headers, footers, and all that

[drmajorbob]

@driver49

… From ‘Compile’ I can’t get anywhere close to the window/text box you’re showing here. I looked in Project Settings - that’s not it either.

You have to open one of the Formats on the right, by double-clicking on it.

[driver49]

I have returned to this quest after a few days of some actual writing. And I am chagrined to say that I am no closer to getting the result I want in my Compiles than I was when I started this thread two weeks go.

There are all these ‘elements’ and they seem - to me, at least - like they are scattered across the landscape with different names for the same things - or is it the same name for different things? I can’t even tell any more.

I want Roman numerals in the footer of the ‘Front Matter’ - or is the the ‘First Pages’ ?? I managed to find this Header/Footer window:

… and I’m pretty sure that’s the right code for Roman numbers, but I’m still getting Arabic #s.

And the numbering is still starting on the Title Page. I want Roman numbers to start after the title pages and a couple pages of epigraphs. And I just cannot make sense of what to assign where to make that happen.

So that’s the continuing frustration: Getting sections I have designated as “Front Matter” to be treated as “First Pages” when assigning Headers / Footer still eludes me. FWIW, this is what the Compile window looks like:

… and it goes on like that for the first ten chapters that I’ve experimenting with as I try to figure this out.

I have had a little luck now getting a book-title header to appear on the even number pages once the Main Body of the book starts, less luck getting the chapter titles to appear atop the odd numbered pages. That is going to require some kind of PlaceHolder in the Header, right? I tried the place holder “<$t:chapter>”, but that’s not it, I’m getting:

So…

And the placement is reversed: I’m want the Book title on the EVEN # pages, the <$t:chapter> on the ODD # pages, but I am getting the opposite. Is there a check box somewhere that fixes that?

This is how I currently have my settings:

Can anybody see what I’m doing wrong there?

I have been grinding out ten-chapter test Compiles all afternoon. In addition to the issues already listed, I’m now seeing something haywire with blank pages. In the Front Matter I need content on the odd # pages and blanks on the even # pages, but for some reason now I’m getting extra pages - with the book title - that is pushing the ‘odd page’ content onto ‘even’ pages.

It feels like I’m going around in circles now. And, honestly, I have had that ‘notions’ page you linked me to open for the entire two weeks but I still cannot get where I am trying to go.

Like everything else in life, I’m sure this intuitive - once you know how to do it.

I don’t know if there is any way to learn this stuff other than an online screen sharing session with somebody who knows the ropes. This is all very dense and complex. But, like I said, 'intuitive - once you now how to do it,’

Bob, I know you are doing all you to help and I sure hope I’m not sounding vituperative. But unlike the ‘input’ part of Scrivener, this ‘output’ side is a black box and I just don’t have the tools to pry it open.

Thanks,

–PS

[drmajorbob]

@driver49

I’m pretty sure that’s the right code for Roman numbers, but I’m still getting Arabic #s.

The correct code is <$p-r>, but I’m curious how you’re getting any numbers at all from that setting. It’s probably because your front matter isn’t identified as Front Matter in Compile.

@driver49

And the numbering is still starting on the Title Page.

… also caused by failing to identify the front matter as Front Matter. You haven’t shown screenshots we can check for that. For me, here they are:

First my front matter structure. Beware, giving a folder the name “Front Matter” does nothing. It could have any name. Front matter doesn’t have to be structured the way I did; it only has to be a folder outside the Draft/Manuscript. In this case, the folder’s name is “the Grey Kell”.

(In reality, I use a feature in which the Front Matter▸Print structure matters, but I’m not involving you in that for now. All that matters is the Grey Kell.)

Second, here’s where I told Compile what folder to use (two screenshots).

Here is the roman numeral setting:

Some of that was explained in the Notion I linked before, which I’m updating to include more information.

page numbers, headers, and footers