Too late. 
The issues were not unique to my system - I was able to track it down because I was āfortunateā enough for my system freeze at a time when I was able to investigate. And because it was clear what the last item in the console was (the google updater), I started my search with that and discovered others reporting similar (even identical) issues. Even those that didnāt have the stability issues I experienced reported multiple errors in the console. Some of those who did experience the same issues attributed them to other causes, but all were resolved after killing the Google updater. In short, I only identified the problem because so many others were reporting similar issues.
Yes, I have well and truly upgraded. 
I mentioned Snow Leopard because it was the most stable OS I have ever used (and I have used a lot of them over the years). The next most stable was probably Atari BASIC in the 1980s.
Note: Iāve never seen any Google updates either. If not for the complete system freeze, I wouldnāt have found it in my logs and would still not know it was there. System has been running better since I removed it, so Iām hesitant to run Chrome again. Luckily, I prefer Safari, but there are some sites that just work better in Chrome (Iām not a Google hater).
I feel bad for this horse these people keep making you beat, Keith.
Sorry, but the dead horse here is out-of-date information.
Chrome consists of web apps and offline apps.
The number of offline apps is growing steadily.
See blog.laptopmag.com/chrome-os-des ā¦ ps-offline
Keith is doubtless sincere in expressing his disinterest in a web-based Scrivener.
Probably the best hope is that Chromebooks will run on Intel processors
And some version of the Linux-based Scriv will become installable.
However, writing apps for Chrome and Cbooks are getting better.
I have listed them often in other posts.
Yesterday I experienced a 5-hour power outage
In a rural section of the USA. My Chromebook never faltered.
Wrote e-mail, took research notes, paid bills.
When power returned, everything uploaded and synchronized.
The household iPads were dead bricks. 
Because their batteries werenāt charged? Here in midcoast Maine, our power goes out every time a Buick-load of Blue-Hairs bangs a youie across Route 1 for a yard sale and T-bones a Winnebago into a power pole (four times so far this season, though once it was texting teens). With my MacBook Pro, I have maybe 2 hours of working on-battery (for which read, nervously working 15 minutes then carefully shutting down). The wife, with her iPad mini, piddles happily away for hours.
Of course, she does keep her battery charged, knowing how many Buick-loads of Blue-Hairs we can expect, come summer.
Ahab,
Thanks for the colorful picture of your summer life Down East.
Tourists like to think of themselves as welcome revenue,
but obviously not if they create mayhem on the highways.
My ādead bricksā comment on iPads was indeed hyperbole.
The Mrs here could read on her Kindle app and type out notes,
But e-mail, news, Facebook required a Net connection.
To me, itās ironic that so many folks dump on Chromebooks
As useless without the Internet, when the same is quite true
Of iPads unless they have a phone-chip installed.
Let me know when a great white cruises your coast.
It looks like Google exposes their realtime API, cloud software, and collaboration tools for developers to use. Still a complex issue to solve even with their tools, but you wonāt have to reinvent the wheel this way.
In order to fully utilize it looks like youād need to be capable of executing javascript. This looks like it is a doable feat as well. You could embed a web view, maybe have a Node.JS instance run the code, or some other solution entirely.
Googleās Realtime API: https://developers.google.com/drive/realtime/
As cold as the Eastern Bayās been so far this summer, a great white better arrive wearing a cardigan.
We have no plans to implement a cloud version of Scrivener at this time.
All the best,
Keith
A question for all the folk demanding a web-based, collaboration-savvy service:
How much would you be willing to pay (per month) for it? Youāre obviously not expecting to get it for nothing, but Iām wondering what itās worth.
I would never demand a feature, but looking at hardware costs, Iād be able to pay yearly for a cloud-based Scrivener if I could access it on a $300 Chromebook, as opposed to a Mac laptop at 2.5x the cost.
That said, it isnāt happening, but the market would be there for users like me, trying to lower HW cost.
But you can already run Scrivener on a low-end Windows (Intel) PC. No need for a Mac, an internet connection, or a cloud subscription.
Katherine
I donāt fault L&L for declining to create a version of Scrivener that would be cloud-based, but I wouldnāt expect a discriminating user to buy a low-end PC. Instead, Iāll be buying the replacement machine I know I can live with, that keeps my access to Scrivener, and it means spending $750-$1,250. I donāt see a mobile cloud subscription is a negative when Iām overspending for hardware that I can live with. The emergence of a āScrivener taxā to my next hardware purchase is entirely my own choice. No one is forcing me to find Scrivener indispensable, and L&L has nothing to apologize for, but I have a hard time taking your suggestion seriously, as hardware is something you have to use.
Chromebooks have swooped ināmuch like Scrivener did in the WP segmentāto show surprising utility. Many of the newer Chromebooks have light, thin cases, responsive keyboards, instant-on booting, and 1080p screens. I canāt speak for anyone else, but I have enough data from my smartphone that having an internet connection at a coffee shop, when Iām not in a wifi building, is the standard for me now.
Iām saying that if a $300 ChromeBook is an acceptable solution for you, a $500 Windows PC will do everything that it can, plus run Scrivener.
Personally, youāll get my MacBook Air when you pry it from my cold dead hands. But my point was that for those concerned about cost, there are plenty of low-cost Scrivener-capable alternatives.
Katherine
A PC canāt offer a 1080p screen at $500. The screen resolution is 1366 x 768 at that price point.
Weāre all working in text, so a higher screen resolution is nice. Is there a technical reason that I should have to buy a PC to work in text, even in a non-linear way, when a Chromebook is available, a kind of high-tech typewriter for writers who donāt need 10x more computing power of a traditional PC or Mac, and donāt want to pay for it? (Especially when a Kindle, tablet and smartphone are also in the budget.)
For $300+, I can get a text-focused Chromebook with a 1080p screen and 11 hours of battery life. The genie isnāt going back in the bottle. Cloud and good-enough hardware are the future of the writerās workflow, and any program tied to a PC, a declining market, will find users stuck wondering what to do.
(BTW, I have a MacBook Air, and love it, but am not sure about buying so much computer for those additions I mentioned Iād like going forward.)
$us300 is the target, right?
$us200, 24" Dell 1080p monitor
$us40, RasberryPi | $110 beaglebone SBC with case
$us20, hdmi cable to connect SBC to monitor
Use scriv for linux.
Too esoteric?
Letās make the total $400
$200 for above monitor
$200 for ābookshelfā PC
$0 Ubuntu linux
Run scriv linux
The problem isnāt cost. The problem is the expectation that hardware should be cheap AND all purpose. I can get you a cheap, viable writing system for scriv (much cheaper than $300) but you will lose portability. I can get you cheap and portable but you will lose resolution WHEN portable. If you want both, you need to pay.
Or buy used. I can find all kinds of used macs for under $300. Windows even cheaper.
If youāre concerned about cost, why would you have a Kindle and a tablet?
For that matter, why would you have a tablet and a full-fledged computer?
Katherine
Well, I bought a (new) Chromebook C720 for about 180 Euro on the marketplace of a big online-trader.
Replaced the Chrome-OS with XUbuntu. Not to complicated - but I have to use a screwdriver. Followed the lines in
reddit.com/r/chrubuntu/comme ā¦ acer_c720/
Replaced the old Linux-kernel with version 3.17RC (where some drivers for Chromebooks are built in). Gave some new meanings to keys on the keyboard (thats the biggest drawback - keyboard-layout and lack of some keys). And maybe the fan, which starts and stops sporadic. I canāt suspend/hibernate the C720, have to manually shut it off - but start is automatic, when the lid gets open. Maybe it could be fixedā¦but itās only a small inconvenience.
Installed wine, linux-scriv (win-scriv also works fine - I have a licence), papyrus (a german author-editor), xmind, total-commander, notepad++, some linux-applications, some fonts and dropbox (with 440MB to sync).
I have 5,8 GB free, which is enough for writing purposes, I think. Speed is OK, I can work locally and sync with dropbox - can you ask for more?
So to come to the original question: in my opinion there is no need for an online version of scrivener. Maybe a little self-initiative is asked.
HWM
Err - Iām writing this on the machine.
Apple tried what youāre doing:
āOur tiny phone size is the perfect one.ā
How did trying to reprogram the customer work out for richest company on earth?
āIntroducing the 5.5ā iPhone."
Reading your replies, I feel you donāt understand me as a customer, or are really trying all that hard to do it. (I have a Kindle and a tablet because they were both super-cheap, and have different uses. Is that a good faith question to understand my perspective, or a way to try to make me look dumb?)
What confuses me is hearing an argument against the way people are working today. If you donāt have the resources to do a version I would prefer, that is more understandable. Continuing to suggest compromises that keep the status quo for your current product, or questioning my needs, is not really working, at least for this loyal Scrivener user. Iām not āconcernedā about myself. I know how to work.
It was INCREDIBLY successful. Are you trying to argue that the iPhone was a failure? Hell, are you trying to argue that the iPhone isnāt the most successful thing that has existed in its own lifetime?
Yup. And you think Apple is caving instead or reprogramming you again. THATās HOW GOOD AT THIS THEY ARE.
sigh
Youāre deliberately misinterpreting Katieās* point and you know it. She made a fair comment. You can of course make a stylistic or personal preference argument for why a person needs to own two umbrellas, but you canāt say cost is your primary concern when deciding your keeping-a-dry-head strategy if you do.
Sorry, I donāt follow your point here. This is not a company that prioritises the status quo. Not on any evidence I have seen. Every rejected approach or feature has been based on a considered, reasoned process, and they have delivered market evolving change while they do it.
* - huge liberty being taken. What can I day, I shouldn't post when drunk. But then if I didn't post when drunk if never be on the 'board.