Pasting from MSWORD: Keeping font size...?

That is really weird, but without a small (single document) redacted version of a project showing this, plus a similar fragmentary Word document to try with, it’s difficult for any of us to help beyond saying “Use Convert Text to Default Formatting…” immediately after pasting.

What happens if you import a Word document, either using the menu or drag-and-drop, rather than copying and pasting? Do you get a similar font size change

But, here I’m also going to come clean; I can’t do any testing myself, as I don’t have Word. But there are plenty of helpful people like @rms who do.


I will try and do that this afternoon (I may even attempt a screen recording of the process but I’ve never done that before so all you may get are screenshots.)

I will also see if this happens with other software (Apple Pages to Scrivener; LibreOffice, etc.)

(I have a sneaky suspicion MacOS Sonoma may be responsible as I’ve been experiencing other weird issues since its release. I think they only happen when I use Scrivener, but I’ll try to determine that today. But that would be for a new thread.)

OK, here are the screenshots I took.

I took a screenrecording which shows the process without any breaks, like as with screenshots. The screenshots won’t prove in court that I didn’t switch the font size to prove my point. But, I didn’t.

If anyone wants the screenrecording, it’s here: 12ptTNRWordto16ptTNRScrivener

I can’t upload the recording as the forums don’t support moving picture formats.

Could you put the cursor actually in the text in Scrivener, please? You’re showing that your default formatting is Calibri 16, but not necessarily the formatting of the pasted text.

If you want to test for Sonoma involvement, TextEdit is the best analog to Scrivener. Both Word and Pages use different text systems.

OH! I forgot to mention: I use a clipboard manager called ClipTools and when I was doing this copy/pasting I had selected an earlier copy of my Lauren Ipsum test and when that was pasted, Scrivener did did not change the font to 16pt. It remained 12pt. This text was used in an earlier test in which it did change to 16pt.

Also, going from 12ptTNR in Pages or Bean or even my MarsEdit blogging software doesn’t cause Scrivener to change the font to 16pt.

This only happens when using a current, fresh, copied text from Word pasted into Scrivener.

I add 2 screen shots of what I described before.

The text in Word (Times New Roman 12pt):

Top: the text first written directly in Scrivener, then pasted directly, bottom paste and match style:

“And I am just told that I am not allowed to post pictures.” That’s the end of my engaging here. Sorry. What a mess.

Whoops. I didn’t see that. Shoot. Now I have to do it again. (It might help to view the screenrecording I made and uploaded to Dropbox.)

I just tested with TextEdit, and saw the same behavior. This appears to be a Sonoma issue.

In my test, “Paste and Match Style” normalized the text to the local formatting in both Scrivener and TextEdit.

Posting pictures com after you’ve earned sufficient priviliges in membership. Duration of membership, number of posts and so forth. Forum software rules, I think, not a L&L thing.

I will try and carry on the fight.

I’ve upped your trust level to allow you to post screenshots.

It’s not necessary, though. I’ve confirmed the behavior and will be reporting this as a bug. Note, however, that it appears to be a Sonoma bug, which will make it a bit more challenging for us to fix. In the meantime, I would recommend using Scrivener’s own tools to normalize the formatting of pasted text.



Won’t replicate for me in Text Edit. 12pt TNR in Text Edit remains 12pt TNR in Scrivener.

Sorry, I meant that Word text pasted to TextEdit also behaves badly.


Yeah, I just figured that’s what you meant. My bad. Not my week for perceptual issues. OK, I just tried copying and pasting from Word to TextEdit. It remained 12pt. It didn’t replicate for me. HOWEVER, it did when I copied/pasted from Word to Bean.

So it might also be a Word issue, I guess. I’m not sure what text system Bean uses. In any case, not exclusive to Scrivener.

I tried Bean as I know from somewhere that some of Bean’s code is in Scrivener (the Bean dev is credited,) but I forget what.

OK, ‘Paste and Match Style’ works just fine. No font point hijinks. Thanks @kewms

This bug in MS Word has already been reported and explained (well, speculated upon, but the math works out).

I’m therefore closing this thread to avoid further replication of an existing conversation.