Scrivener 3 Windows Release

It never ceases to amaze me to read about the pearl clutching regarding a new version of Scrivener. I’ve been using the Windows product in its various incarnations since 2011. Many have been using it far longer. I’ve written (oh, I dunno, allow me a moment to call up my spreadsheet) more than a hundred short stories and novels in that time.

Reading the comments in this and other threads, I was apparently using an antique. Who would have known had you all not been so informative?

Now, with Beta 17 as my Scrivener of choice, I am using an incomplete and unusable product. Oh the horror.

But that’s all right. I’ll keep on keeping on writing and publishing and selling. As for the rest of you, well…

Write on, brothers and sisters.

DaveK wrote:

First a disclaimer. I know nothing. Just a user, and only for a couple of years. But, I think you should assume that the Windows version will be behind the Mac Version. I would not call it a poor cousin, and of course whether it is “several steps behind” depends on the definition of a step. But, for years it has been behind and it is currently aiming for the specs of Mac 3.0 while the mac version is at 3.2 I think. It was originally designed for the Mac, and many things it does are hard to do on Windows and are taking much longer than they thought.

However, the amount of work that gets done every 6 weeks or so when a new beta 3 is released, is extensive. They are currently on beta 17. The resources that are going into the programming, and beta support are extensive and does not fit a “poor cousin” label. Two years ago when I selected Scrivener, it was because the Windows version beat the competition (as far as I could determine).

About 9 months ago I moved to the Beta 3 for a project and have since moved everything over. It is working for me. If L&L were willing to have a “poor cousin” Windows version, they could have reduced the specs below Mac 3.0 and released a better program than 1.9x. They are really trying to make them comparable and seem unwilling to accept a significantly lesser Windows product.

So, I think you can assume that Windows Scrivener is likely to continue to be the best product of its kind for Windows. That L&L will continue to pour resources, programming, documentation, and support into the Windows version, but that it is likely to remain a bit behind the Mac version.

There are different programming teams on the two versions, and we can’ t expect the Mac programmers to sit around and do nothing so the Windows clients don’t feel left behind. The current strategy is to make the Windows version like the Mac Version, rather than let it veer off into its own world. I think that is likely to keep the Mac version a bit ahead.

The current Mac version is 3.1.2. The only major new feature since the 3.0 release has been Dark Mode, which was (on the Mac) mostly a matter of creating a second set of interface elements. Mac OS provides the tools for switching back and forth. Most of the other changes have been bug fixes – I hope those are okay with Windows folks?

Katherine

And not only that, but Dark Mode was folded into the beta and will be part of the 3.0 release—that is without a comprehensive operating system-wide infrastructure for doing so. There will be some necessary post-3.0 updates to catch up with a few of the additions made to Scrivener since the 3.0 release for macOS, but a lot of them have been likewise folded in or are planned to be.

If you really want to know what has been released for the Mac since 3.0 then download its user manual and flip to Appendix E, in the “What’s New” section. All of the notable changes are documented there—and those who know anything about the beta will recognise a number of them.

By my quick tally (which is meant more to convey a rough estimate, I didn’t spend an hour on this), here are the results:

  • Notable macOS refinements and additions since 3.0: 27
  • Of those improvements that are completely irrelevant to Windows, or represent removals/lateral changes (like shortcuts being shuffled around): 7
  • Those improvements that have already been added to the Windows v3 beta: 14

So out of the roughly 20 improvements that we considered notable enough to make mention of in the appendix of the user manual, 14 of those have already been implemented in the beta, or are planned to be included in 3.0 for Windows, meaning only six notable changes will be added after 3.0 is released—assuming they won’t anyway, or that I missed a memo about one of them being on the list.

To give you a taste of what some of these six are, among them are:

  • A weird “Kindle optimised” ePub variant that was designed to work with IngramSpark—which turns out to not work that well (they reject it).
  • Inserting media timestamps with a shortcut while transcribing. Pretty cool—for 1% of our user base.
  • Find duplicates: a project search mode that looks for exact duplicate items in the binder—also pretty niche, but handy if you need it.

To be fair there are some neater things in that list as well that we’ll be excited to bring to Windows:

  • Focus mode, to zero in on the context you’re writing and fade the rest out.
  • Improved screenplay layout for better on-the-fly proofing, like dual dialogue and MORE/CONT’D markers.

And also to be fair, there a still a lot of things that need to be done to reach the full 3.0 specification as well. I don’t mean to completely minimise the differences, and this simple list here is by no means intended to be a complete to-do list. But in a Thread of Wallowing like this, it is sometimes useful to inject a few facts into what is otherwise a discussion of feelings, senses, and vague misunderstandings of where the beta is, and just how far the Mac version has really progressed since 3.0. Facts like how the Windows development team has more staff, or how there have been 17 releases in the same time period there have been five for Mac, or how the relative feature addition within that same time span is hardly comparable—in that the real Windows “score” isn’t a mere 14, but probably more along the lines of well over a hundred notable additions since beta 1, some of which represent extremely complicated and difficult to implement features. Facts like how it took five years for the Mac version to go through its full cycle of development, to get to where it was at 3.0.

I see people here posting with less than a dozen total posts, most of them spent in this thread. Maybe get out of this thread and into the beta forum—download it, see where the project actually is, and then form an opinion based on that, rather than a bunch of hearsay and Game of Telephones (and we all know how badly that can end).

In short, as someone else said: write on. Truly, jokes aside, I am sorry to hear some of you are disappointed, for whatever your reasons may be. We’ll continue working as hard as we have been bridging what was once an enormous gap, and is now narrowing down quite satisfactorily.

Speaking of which, I’m going to get back to work actually helping to get this stuff done.

Well said, Ioa. Thanks for bringing facts to the knife fight! :slight_smile:

My comments were based around being left in the dark about when (or even whether) Windows V3 was coming. Experience with Axminster’s similarly vague statements has left me somewhat cynical.

Given that L&L can’t guarantee a Beta (no company can) for serious work, do anyone out there trying/testing/using the latest beta have any comments about how stable it feels and whether they are using it for ‘serious’ work?

:slight_smile:

Seriously? There’s an entire beta forum out there with people talking about nothing but their experiences using the program.

Sorry!

That was only my 3rd post on this forum and I don’t know my way around yet. I asked the question because responses to my original post on this thread mentioned the beta several times and appeared to suggest that it was good enough to be used for real work.

Anyway, thank you for your constructive advice. :slight_smile:

Given that, as noted, there’s an entire forum devoted to the beta, maybe spend a little more time looking around before deciding that you’re being left in the dark? We’re hardly trying to conceal our plans for Windows V3.

Katherine

You’re correct, i did not actually give constructive advice. Let me remedy that.

In general, before you post on a topic in any forum, spend some time actually looking around learning the forum to determine if it has already been discussed. If it offers a search function, use it. And if those attempts don’t help you find relevant information, then go ahead and post – and say what you’ve already done to find the answers.

To be fair, I don’t think DaveK’s question of when has been answered, nor will it be in the beta forum. That’s not something we do. Some companies make public deadlines and then publish no matter what state the software is in. Others make soft deadlines and then miss them (because you always will) and suffer the backlash (we tried that once, never again!). Then there are those like ours that don’t publish a release date and work until the software is ready.

Our method isn’t very “marketing friendly” (i.e. “modern”), and it doesn’t really make anyone happy either, but we like to think it means we code to predictable quality, not calendar dates or Christmas rushes, or spreadsheet analysis of sales rates, etc. If that makes you uneasy, well there isn’t anything I can say that would fix that; I could only suggest you look at our track record. We do get the job done, even if it takes a good long while.

I, for one, and good with this approach. Having worked in government software development. Where software is released ON TIME regardless of quality, completeness, or even, sometimes, the developer’s full understanding of what is being developed. I know what damage excreable software can do to government services, citizen satisfaction, and even the developer’s reputation. Having also worked in commercial software development I also know that slow and RIGHT is preferable to fast and incompetent.

It’s not like the current commercial version of Scrivener for Windows is unusable. It’s still better than many of its competitors.

DavidK asked:

Yes. I moved a single not essential project over at Beta 10, thinking it seemed (from hanging out in the Beta forum) to be pretty stable for what I needed. I have since moved EVERYTHING over, including all critical work. I understand that parts of the compiler are missing and that lists don’t work right. But, I compile to PDF and oddly, text, and both work fine. I use Scrivener daily. It has never crashed.

I am bugged that bulleted lists don’t work right as I am a bullet list kind of person. But I have multiple critical business dependent projects and the Beta is rock solid for my needs.

I was happy with Scrivener 1.9x, but am even happier with the Beta.

Besides bulleted and numbered lists not working right, the only problem I have with it is that the final isn’t out. I wrote an article for my Newsletter extolling its virtues last December, and don’t feel like I can publish until the actual release version. Also, I’ll probably have figured out more stuff and have to entirely rewrite the article.

@ Katherine. You are correct of course. I got sidetracked because my original query was about when V3 might appear and I got sidetracked by the Beta comments;

@devinganger: Genuinely … thank you for your constructive advice. :slight_smile:

@both: again my thanks for your patience and advice … I’m now off to go Beta hunting. :smiley:

Hi everyone,

I just downloaded Scrivener for Windows (1.9.9.0) and discovered the gap between Windows and MacOS version when watching tutorials on YT.
If I understand correctly what is said both on L&L website and in this forum, the Windows version should be released during Q2 2019…so, 28 days left! :wink:

However, something remains unclear for me in the following sentence from the website:
“The great news is that if you buy Scrivener 1 for Windows now, you’ll get a free update to version 3 when it’s available. (Existing users of Scrivener 1 will be able to purchase Scrivener 3 for the discounted price of $25 when the time comes.)”

So, now that I’m going to use the trial version of the app for 30 days and probably going to buy it by the end of this period, what will I be considered when the new version will be released? An existing user (and pay 25$ more)? Or a new one (and get it for free)?

Thanks in advance for your clarification!

Leakimka

Hi! As far as I understand it, if you’re downloading and buying the product now, you’d count as a new user and will get the new version for free when it’s released. The ‘existing user’ discount applies to users who have had the software for a substantial amount of time already.

Hope that clarifies! :slight_smile:

“New” or “existing” Windows Scrivener users as of the Mac Scrivener 3 release, which was November 2017.

So yes, anyone who buys Windows Scrivener 1 now will get Windows Scrivener 3 for free.

Katherine

The suspense is intense: which will be released first, Scrivener 3 for Windows, or Trump’s tax returns?

Or, perhaps even MacOS 4 or 4.5.
Suspenseful for sure…

Please devs and support team, don’t listen to the few drolls swirling around the otherwise very friendly and tight forum. I am very happy to use the beta version which helps me tremenduously in my daily work. Please take your time developing the software. Rushed jobs only result in mistakes, disappointment and extra work. I’ll be here when your Scrivener 3 will be released no matter when that is. I love the software. Thank you. Now back to my writing.