Scrivener beta 4 now available for download

Kirk - 100% yes. We are very close to release. Anything you create now you will be able to open in 1.0 and beyond.
All the best,
Keith

Thanks. I think you should consider for future versions implementing a feature that will allow users to customize editing “modes.” It shouldn’t have to be too complicated and would be a nice addition. But for now just fixing the cmd+y in full-screen would be great!

Do you mean for users to define their own formats? Don’t even go there. :slight_smile: You don’t know how complicated the code is that deals with screenplay/stageplay formatting. Honestly, it would not be trivial to do that. That would be the sort of thing I would consider for 2.0 in a year or two, not before…

Whenever I’m trying to export, I can’t keep text centered (it is moved to the left of the page when it is exported). Also, footnotes and end-notes act the same, when they should act differently (they all just appear at the end of the entire exported document). Also, I have a bibliography as my last page and want the endnotes to appear before that (at the end of the text-file they’re included within) but that doesn’t seem possible either.

edit: ignore this one, duplicate

I take it you have “Use export formatting” checked in Text Options in the Export Draft sheet. If that is checked, the formatting you have defined in the Export Draft sheet be used, which, of course, means that if you have left-justified text as your export formatting, that will override any centered text. Either uncheck the option in Export Draft, or check “Preserve Formatting” for the individual document.

I don’t understand the question. Footnotes can be exported either as footnotes or as endnotes. So saying “footnotes and end-notes act the same” has no meaning in Scrivener. Scrivener only has footnotes, which you can choose to export as end-notes if you want. And this only has any meaning when exporting to RTF and you open it in a word processor that reads footnotes (Word, Mellel, Nisus). For other formats, footnotes just get plonked at the end of the document. I’m pretty sure this is covered in the tutorial and in the FAQ.

Please remember that Scrivener is not a word processor. This is made explicit in numerous places - in the tutorial, in the readme file, on the forum, in the FAQ. Do not expect Scrivener to do extensive formatting. It can export a document with basic formatting, but if you need more advanced formatting, as you obviously do, you need to export your draft and open it in a word processor for final formatting and tweaking. This is why it is called “Export Draft” and not “Export Manuscript”.

Also, could you please tell me if the answer I gave you in the following thread helped you?

literatureandlatte.com/forum … .php?t=625

If you post a problem it helps if you let me know if my answer resolved the issue, so that I know there isn’t a bug here. Thanks.

Thanks for the quick reply. What i mean to say is that when exporting footnotes and endnotes are currently acting exactly the same, which I assume you didn’t mean or you wouldn’t have two options. Footnotes should appear at the bottom of each page but both are acting as endnotes and appearing at the end of the document as a whole.

I cannot recreate this. You are exporting to RTF, I presume, and not RTFD or any other format? Everything works fine for me when I open it up in Word - I get footnotes at the bottom of each page if that is what I have selected. Oh, and please do answer whether that other post sorted out the problem you posted.

Yes, I can now get things centered, etc. by ignoring the “export” format options.

However, the problem with footnotes/endnotes still exists. But it only exists when printing directly from the export pane, not when exporting to .rtf and opening in Word, etc.

To recreate, create a document with footnotes. Go to export draft, and then print it from there with footnotes selected instead of endnotes. They will still show up as endnotes.

Also, I have three files in my draft folder: one is a title page, the second is my actual report, and the third is a list of sources. Of course, “endnotes” for the actual report should appear at the end of the actual report, but they are instead appearing at the end of the bibliography which looks silly. Can’t find a way to fix it.

I understand it’s meant to just be simple formatting/export options, but I am only trying to do things that appear to be built in already, just not working as they should.

Thanks again for the update though, Scrivener is EVEN BETTER and these export modes are great.

Ah, no, these things aren’t built in - not for endnotes and footnotes. Footnotes and endnotes, like I say, are only really supported in the RTF export. The “Print” button in the Export Draft sheet can only do stuff that is built-in. Thus, footnotes are just plonked at the end of the whole draft. This is exactly the sort of situation where you need to export to a word processor and do your final formatting. The “Print” button in Export Draft is meant for either:

a) a rough copy of your draft (which will not necessarily have footnotes and endnotes in the right place).
b) a good copy of text that does not require special formatting (footnotes and endnotes would come under “special formatting”). It is good for things such as short stories and novels, but not really suitable for creating a final draft of an academic paper or screenpaly, for instance.

Obviously, this is stuff that needs covering in the documentation. I can understand why the “Print” button may seem misleading. It basically prints what you would get if you exported to RTFD, but adds a header. This is the best a non-dedicated word processor can do. AmberV, if you are reading, this would definitely be a good one for the FAQ. :slight_smile:

Awpstrike - the other post I was talking about was the one I linked to. In the Tips & Tricks forum, you said that you could not get “convert italics to underline” to work. I said that this only works in the Export Draft panel, and not if you just go to File > Print. Was this the problem? Like I say, it really does help if you respond to things like that, because otherwise I panic that there is a bug I am missing.

All the best,
Keith

Thanks. I’d be nice if it worked but I understand that it is a lot to build in. In regards to the italic/bold thing, I’m not sure what I was doing wrong before but it is working now, so that issue was “user error” I would say, no worries!

Any idea when you’re going to start selling a final version?

As for selling the final version - I’m working the webpage right now. Then it’s just the help file and anything that comes up in the meantime. As for building the stuff into “Print” - there’s just no way. It would mean building a whole word processing engine from the ground up! Let’s see what comes “for free” with Leopard. I hope they have upgraded the text engine again - remember that bullets and tables were only introduced with Tiger.

Got it!

the notice board style of viewing the contents of a folder doesn’t scroll well at all with a scroll wheel’d mouse, and not quite 100% with clicking and dragging the blue bar

Probably not the first time you scroll down, but after that it should be fine. This should only be the case if you have the pins visible or images that are being displayed as Polaroids. Basically, whenever a card becomes visible for the first time, that is when the image that is used for its pin (or Polaroid in the case of images) gets loaded up and cached. That way, only the memory that is required is used; the downside is that there is a small lag the first time you scroll down.

ahh i see now, ok…this is something that will get better over development i hope

creating small thumbnails of every picture sounds ideal but not sure if it would be worth it

If it is the generation of polaroid thumbnails that is causing you issues, turn it off via Preferences - this is exactly why it is a preference. Development has finished in this area, so this will not get any better pre-2.0. It will only be a big issue with slower computers, but like I say, that is why there is a preference. Just turn of “Show media files as photographs on corkboard” in the “navigation” preferences. If you are still having issues, just turn off the pins on the corkboard (View > Index Cards > Show Pins).

Sorry to keep posting but I hope it’s helpful…

Anyhow, I noticed that annotations/footnotes are viewed as congruent to the actual document in terms of spell-check while editing. So lets say I write the following, with the text in brackets representing a footnoted excerpt.:

Late industrialists find themselves facing almost insurmountable odds.[Kellog, 82.]

In this case, it underlines odds.Kellog because it views it as one thing. Let me know if this doesn’t make sense.

Keith will probably have a better answer, but I am pretty sure there is nothing that can be done about that. Both footnotes and annotations are essentially nothing more than a special kind of style, like bold or a font size change.

However, there is one thing you can do. Put a buffer space inside the note. This will help the spell checker, and it will make your session easier to read too. The Scrivener exporter will strip all extra spacing on the front and back of a footnote, so you can pad it as much as you like. Annotations retain their spacing, which is generally okay since whatever aesthetic spacing you use in the editor will probably be useful in a print out.

Thanks for the tip.