Scrivener for iOS - When?

Footnotes and comments are supported using pop-up boxes, and inline annotations and footnotes are also supported.

You can’t do that in the Mac version, so no. :slight_smile: (Although the Mac version can import and edit such files.) There’s a reason not many apps support that… Import and export will be plain text and RTF only. To import and export more formats, or to Compile, you’ll use the desktop version.

Well, I’m sold…

iOS Scrivener will at the very least enable me to do what I’m doing now on iOS with about four different apps (awkwardly) with a single app (smoothly.) :smiley: And starting with a design that’s baroque and awkward and having to scrap it to get to something elegant (elegant == both clean UI and disgustingly simple implementation by comparison) – well, I’ve worked on more than one project that resembled those remarks. Keep coding!

P.S. Decent rich text on iOS is so rare that I’m not surprised to learn that the text kit is a b—h to work with. Add to that the fact that iOS devices that can run iOS 9 have a minimum of half a gigagbyte of RAM and at most 2GB RAM for an iPad Air 2 (with no way I know of to use in-app virtual memory) and it becomes obvious to the most casual observer that an iOS app cannot yet approach the power of a hefty desktop app. (And before anyone shakes their 128GB iPad at me, that 128GB is STORAGE, the equivalent of a hard or solid-state drive. Phone and tablet manufacturers are remarkably silent on their actual RAM – mostly because it’s such a puny amount compared to any desktop or laptop computer.)

I’ve just caught up with the past few months of this thread. A question and a comment (I don’t normally spend time in the Literature and Latte forums so please forgive me if I miss obvious information already presented here somewhere):

  • Keith, could you confirm that the iOS version is intended to work on iPhones as well as iPads? I’m sure this is made clear somewhere but I haven’t noticed it.

  • Scrivener for Mac is my writing life blood and has been for years. An iOS version (“Scrivener Lite,” without Scrivenings mode as Keith mentioned above, but allowing us to easily view and lightly review/modify current projects) will be great. I want to be able to pull my phone out of my pocket and look at and think about something I’m currently working on, to change a few words or write a new paragraph (or read a poem from my combined poetry Scrivener project without having to remember to export it to somewhere accessible each time I do new work). All this will be wonderful. But I just wanted to say that for me it is the core Mac version that sustains me. I’m greatly comforted by the news that sales remain strong for Scrivener, but in general one of my fears in life (my working life at least) involves the loss of Scrivener for Mac. Keith, you’ve done more to support writing as it is done with modern technology than just about anyone else I can think of. I hope at some point someone administering a writing prize, or some such, finds a way to acknowledge the contribution you have made to the modern act of writing. My hope is that the core desktop Scrivener remains a strong and viable system for a long time to come. Thank you. (And I will, of course, thank you as well with a paid upgrade whenever you next roll one out.)

I’m not Keith, but I can say that it has always been the intent to support iOS Scrivener on both iPads and iPhones. In fact, one of the challenges has been figuring out how to implement something resembling the Scrivener interface on such a small screen.

The desktop version is in no danger. I believe Keith has said several times that it is the version he personally uses and prefers, and one of the challenges of iOS development has been the need to avoid diverting resources from the desktop.

Katherine

Although, sadly, right now iOS development has diverted resources from desktop development, as I am now the sole iOS developer, working on that full time and putting Scrivener for Mac on temporary hold… However, to answer your questions, MatthewB:

  1. It will indeed work on a phone. This is the main reason I want it myself - I peck out notes on my phone and email them to myself, copying them into my Scrivener project, regularly. Being able to make the notes directly in the Scrivener project and have them sync will be a godsend.

  2. Many thanks for the kind words! And don’t fear. Although I’ve temporarily had to take over the iOS project and make it a priority, the desktop version will remain our flagship project. Behind the scenes, I’ve been working on a major update to the Mac version for nearly three years now. My working on the iOS version for a little while at least gives the Windows team some time to catch up on some of the features planned for that next major version. We’ll have news about all these things next year - at long last.

Silverdragon - thanks also for the kind words of support. I think the iPad Pro is really going to confuse people. It’s bigger than - and nearly as heavy as - a MacBook 12" (which makes me wonder why anyone would want to use it as a writing machine over a MacBook, but hey, I’m clearly getting old…), but nowhere near as capable as a MacBook. Many users aren’t going to know that, though, of course, nor care about how far behind the Mac’s text system the iOS text system is…

On the plus side, what I’m enjoying about working on the iOS version is that I’m sort of back to building the bare bones of the app I originally set out to create with Scrivener. Scrivener is the powerhouse version with all sorts of ways of viewing, manipulating and exporting your data; it has the core features I wanted originally plus a lot more; the iOS version is just those core features pared right down, and nothing else. I hope it will be a nice writing environment in itself, but one you’ll want to use in conjunction with the desktop version.

Right, back to Dropbox code…

Holy Hell, I didn’t look at this thread for what seemed like 10 minutes (it was October) and pages have appeared.

Scrivener Lite works for me. A lot of the stuff you guys can already do in terms of using other apps, and dropbox and sync etc, don’t work on the Windows version, so we’re kind of more in need :slight_smile:

Looking forward to it, whenever it appears.

  1. Battery life is much better on the iPad Pro. 7 hours vs. 10 hours.
  2. iPad Pro is faster than the MacBook.
  3. IPad has cellular.
  4. Sometimes I want to hand write ideas.
  5. All the niceties that come with an iPad. :slight_smile:

For (1), seven hours is always plenty for the journeys I take and the amount of writing I could do in one go anyway.

(2) really depends on what you are using it for. If you want to do some writing, the text system is far slower and more clunky on iOS, as is using a keyboard. iOS is not a desktop operating system and has only a fraction of the power of one (which is why I think users are going to be confused by this). Using a trackpad or mouse while writing rather than poking a screen is much more natural as it means less moving your hands away from the keyboard. Keyboard support for navigating everywhere is also much better on OS X.

(4) is nice, but that’s why I have a notepad. :slight_smile: And typing those notes up is part of the editing process; I can’t imagine doing that on an iPad. It’s not something you’ll be able to do in Scrivener, anyway!

(5) I guess that’s where you’ve lost me. I love my iPhone; I love my MacBook; I have about ten iPads thanks to iOS development, but barely use any of them. They just seem neither fish nor foul to me. I’m not trying to convince anybody; I know they are hideously popular, and judging by the iPad Pro requests we are getting, the Pro will no doubt be popular too. I’ll just never understand why. :slight_smile:

All these things apply to ANY iPad, including the Mini (except item 2, which doesn’t apply to any iPad, in my experience; iPads aren’t really faster than the MB12", at least when it comes to real life usage). My question is: why would anyone want to carry that cumbersome thing around? Apple will definitely sell the Pros, because I can see execs of many companies getting them from their company. But the question is: how many will actually use it? Time will definitely tell. My prediction is that not many will use it. Easily testable. I attend plenty of meetings where people use either a Mini or a ‘regular’ iPad. We’ll see how many will show up with that big dude :smiley:

I expect to see a lot of iPad Pros being used to give presentations in meetings.

That’s a pretty specialized use, granted, but it does drive a lot of business purchases.

Katherine

From my half day on the iPad Pro, I’m sold.

I did look at the MacBook but decided to go with the iP Pro as it’s also a great graphics tablet for the RMBPro, great for art with the Pencil.

Don’t buy the ‘getting old’ excuse Keith. I"m in my 60’s and still looking for new tech and ways of getting things done. :smiley:

All that said, what works for me no doubt won’t work for some others.

This is literally all I have ever wanted. Just a way to make my projects more mobile so I can work on them whenever I am.

The hardcore, high end editing stuff I can do when back on my laptop/Mac OS.

This is what I want. Mac will always be my primary writing device. With iPad on the go.

Ian

Me 3! I’m not looking for a desktop-like app on an iPad. Just more of a bridge?

Looks like I may have to go the MacBook (2nd gen I think). The wife who is the true artist in the family has discovered my iPad Pro.

I suspect I may have to book time to use it.

Way of the world/Name of the game, pal. Wives, and indeed, daughters, have been the proverbial millstone around husbands’ and dads’ necks, since time immemorial. ‘s now’t y’ can do about it … y’ll have t’ go with the flow. :cry: It’s a bummer.

(1) As someone who flies a lot, having that extra few hours of power can be a pretty big deal when you get delayed in a packed airport or stuck on a plane sitting on the tarmac.

(2) I do all my editing in Word (I like the way track changes works, and I like using different apps for different mental processes), and I do a high percentage of that (over 50%) on my ipad with an external keyboard, as it’s more portable than my MBP. The “touch the screen and then go back to the keyboard” thing becomes natural pretty quickly if you’re not choosing to mentally rebel against it (something I did a LOT when I switched from PC to Mac so I know the feeling). Also, the arrow keys on the external keyboard are great navigation tools.

(3) The cellular is a big deal for those of us that travel a lot.

(5) It comes down to personal preference. Basically, it’s great to have options, and just because something isn’t your cup of tea doesn’t mean it’s not the absolute best tool for someone else.

All that said, the lack of compile in the iOS version is pretty much a dealbreaker for me, as I compile after every drafting session, so that I can do my edits in Word, and then import the revisions back into Scrivener. I’m not going to tote around my MBA or MBP just to do a compile, so… is compile something that will come down the line, or do I need to start looking at other applications?

I think you mean husbands are the millstones around their wives’ necks. Or maybe you should just make less sexist comments.

Well, now you’ve gone and offended the husbands who have husbands, the wives who have wives, and the transgender folk. It’s a tricky world out there.

Just because someone doesn’t like something you like doesn’t mean they are “mentally rebelling”. I’ve tried writing on iPads, and they are just nowhere near as nice as writing on laptops (for me). I barely take my fingers off the keyboard on a Mac because I use a lot of keyboard shortcuts, and while iOS is improving in that regard, it’s still a long way from the control you have with OS X. For me, iPads are just a horrible way of writing for anything other than quick notes (and I have my iPhone for that), and that’s it - at least when I have a perfectly good MacBook I can use. I can understand the appeal for those who just want to take a tablet with them while they are out and about (sort of!), but I’ll never understand someone making an iPad their primary writing tool - but that’s just me. I could probably write on an iPad Pro attached to a keyboard happily for some time - but not as happily as on a MacBook. And even the new iPad Pro keyboards aren’t great for writing on laps from the reviews I’ve seen, and they have no control over the viewing angle; I do not want to mess up my neck further by hunching even more over a screen. So I don’t really see the appeal of the on-screen keyboard.

Exactly. That’s why I said I wasn’t trying to persuade anybody and didn’t accuse anyone else of “mentally rebelling”. You are all insane, though. :slight_smile:

A very basic Compile might come down the line, just the ability to compile what’s in your Draft folder with text and optional titles, no format overriding, nothing else. But if other applications can do what you want then you should look at them, of course. If you do all your writing in Word, I don’t really see what you’ll get from Scrivener for iOS anyway; if you’re looking to do everything Scrivener can do on an iPad, that’s almost certainly never going to happen (unless, as I say, Apple starts using OS X on iPads, or makes significant changes to iOS).