# Shift-Alt-Ctrl for arrows pointing both ways not working **URL:** \ **Category:** Scapple for Windows\ **Tags:** bug\ **Created:** [October 14, 2013, 9:01am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/shift-alt-ctrl-for-arrows-pointing-both-ways-not-working/24012 "2013-10-14T09:01:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gab](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gab](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/gab)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 9:01am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/shift-alt-ctrl-for-arrows-pointing-both-ways-not-working/24012/1 "2013-10-14T09:01:50Z")
Expected behavior as in Quick-Start-Guide: hold down Shift-Alt-Ctrl for arrows pointing both ways. Observed behavior: Cannot drag note onto another note while pressing Shift-Alt-Ctrl. Tried it on my Samsung and on Thinkpad T431s. ---
**Author:** ![Mick](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mick](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/Mick)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/shift-alt-ctrl-for-arrows-pointing-both-ways-not-working/24012/2 "2013-10-15T01:15:25Z")
Works on mine. (Desktop computer.) Edit: It works if I hold the mouse button down on one of the chosen notes first, and then hold down the 3 keys. If I hold down the 3 keys first, then click on a note, dragging isn’t possible. So maybe the order that you do things makes a difference. ---
**Author:** ![gab](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gab](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/gab)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 9:51am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/shift-alt-ctrl-for-arrows-pointing-both-ways-not-working/24012/3 "2013-10-15T09:51:03Z")
It works the way you described it. The other connections like Alt+drag and Ctrl+Alt+drag work either way, pressing before or after dragging. So I think it is supposed to work both ways. And I think it worked that way before too. ---
**Author:** ![MimeticMouton](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/mimeticmouton/32/34_2.png) [@MimeticMouton](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/MimeticMouton)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 8:20am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/shift-alt-ctrl-for-arrows-pointing-both-ways-not-working/24012/4 "2013-10-16T08:20:38Z")
We’ll take a look. In the meanwhile you might prefer using the right-click method–drag while holding the right-mouse button, and when you drop you’ll get a list of options for the connection type you want to create. ---
**Author:** ![saiph](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/saiph/32/140_2.png) [@saiph](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/saiph)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/shift-alt-ctrl-for-arrows-pointing-both-ways-not-working/24012/5 "2017-02-24T22:58:49Z")
Hello Scapple team, Great product, I’m having the time of my life free diagramming ! So thanks & kudos from a fellow software developer … To the point. I also couldn’t get double arrows. Also, Ctrl - Shift - Alt + laptop touchpad is quite difficult to achieve when slouching with laptop and cat on knees plus latte nearby … I would like to be able to interact with the connections between notes by right-clicking on the connection, change the connection from simple to single to double arrow. Or simpler still add a “connect with double arrow” menu option when right clicking after having selected 2 unconnected or connected notes. what do you think ? Regards & pardon my French