Things

I’d be interested to know how you get on with these. Somehow, I can’t see to get on as well with Merlin as I think I should. Which means that I avoid using it, whenever possible. Which means that I don’t get any better at using it!

This is exactly why I switched to OmniFocus. I liked iGTD, but if I’m going to have the hassle of changing apps anyway, I might as well get it over with quickly and switch to something else. My thinking went along the lines of “fed up with disruption – don’t want to use buggy early releases for something as boring as a task list, when I could just dig out my paper system which never went wrong – have spent far too much time faffing about with task management software already – OmniFocus is nearly ready for release so ought to be fairly solid – might as well switch to that and get the new learning curve out of the way before things get busy in the New Year”.

Am I the only person in the Mac universe who isn’t in love with tags? I can never remember what word I might have used to tag something. :frowning:

Here, there are fewer conceptual differences than with GTD tools, for me. They work basically in the same way, with differences only in the aestethic, and minor interface details. Then, obviously, Merlin is more powerful than OP, that is more powerful than GP. Merlin seems to be my preferred one (but also the most expensive of the bunch…)

If this makes you feel better, I’m with you :slight_smile:

Paolo

I think the problem is two-fold. There is no obvious doctrine or constraint to using them, so one is often at a loss as to how best to use them. Spray them like stock photography keywords? Using sparsely and well documented? The second problem is that many pieces of software do not provide a good tagging access system. The thing that made tags really work on the web (and set them apart from ordinary keyword lists) was the UI for accessing them! Simply throwing them all into an alphabetical list with single-case exclusion selection methods is even more constricting and opaque than ordinary keywords.

A proper tagging UI should allow simple booleans; graphical addition and negation; dynamic selection clustering (this keyword is often paired with this keyword, et cetera) visual representation of frequency (such as the familiar tag clouds); and easy split/merge operations. These things, while “power features” can be done in such a way that nearly anyone can pick up on it. To my knowledge, there aren’t any Cocoa tag based applications out there that actually handle tags as anything other than glorified keywords.

The world is sinking under the weight of management training consultants and the books they’ve written. Free yourselves from David Allen’s GTD. Free yourselves and win your lives back!

The only better way would be clearing out of all my jobs, and after having shaved my head, fly to Lhasa to pray and meditate all day long.

Otherwise, I find my life easier to manage with one of these tools. They give a method to my life’s madness.

paolo

The more I try to organize what I need to do to get things done, the less I actually get done. Cram-packing every possible second with useful activities gives me a headache, anyway.

As the wise folks at Despair, Inc. said - “Life is a journey, not a destination - so stop running.”

Kh,
"Life is a journey, not a destination - so stop running."

Now I quite like that, but Im afraid in my case, its more like,

“If you dont get a move on, ygonna miss the boat!” :frowning:

vic

To that I say, “Good!”

I hate boats. :wink:

I meant for me! Not you. If one misses the boat, one gets left behind :cry:

I`ve spent most of my life being left behind! tch! tch!

AmberV,
Thanks for your OmniFocus posts! Very helpful for me as I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around how to use this program. The Contexts still baffle me though. I understand the location based but what about state of mind based like “writing”? Just curious how contexts worked with your system since a few of my contexts are sub-projects in your system.

Robert

I use the word “context” very loosely. The way I see it, GTD was designed for an entirely different kind of animal than you and I. Where someone in middle management might parcel up their day into physical contexts like “phone,” and “computer,” and so on, there are just too many things that creatives do that are mood based and so on. I think the key is to look at how contexts can be used in the framework of the application, and then design it around how you work.

For example, when I’m editing I’m in an entirely different frame of mind than when I’m doing creative writing, and that is different than when writing non-fiction. But that doesn’t mean these make good contexts. They might for some people—again it all depends on how you work.

I do have some traditional physical contexts. Things that need to be done around the house, for instance. Things that require running to the store. I also have some “state based” context, such as “Expand” and “Maybe.” This lets me focus the interface on things that need to be done inside the list as well, or to just see things that I’d like to do but have deemed not worth it at the moment.

Just look at Contexts for what they are in OmniFocus. They are a way of applying a topical filter to tasks that transcends the “project” hierarchy. A way to single out things regardless of what area of responsibility, and get them done according to present state and frame of mind.

This is kind of the idea behind GTD that sets it apart from other productivity philosophies. The notion that tasks should be approached from a different angle than projects, and completed almost regardless of the project. If you are at home, you might touch five different projects by completing five tasks, but in doing that you’ve moved five projects forward where if you had just focused on one project in a linear fashion, the chances of getting hung up and not actually getting as much done are higher. It is a good way to go if you have a lot of things going on at once, and find it hard to keep them all moving forward.

The key thing that trips a lot of people up is that this way of doing things by context will utterly fail if tasks are too complicated. One of the first things the book covers is how to recognise a complicated task and break it up into a “project,” what you can use nested outlined tasks for in OF. The rule of thumb is: A task should be something you can do in one sitting, without a lot of “getting in to it.” If preparation is required to start a task, then that preparation should be broken up into different tasks, with the final task being setting up the prepared material in such a way that the next action can naturally flow right off of it, without any preparation.

That is the theory anyway. How well it works for you is up to you, and OF is flexible enough that it doesn’t dictate this philosophy, it merely allows it in a way that I find more fluid than other GTD programs I’ve tried. The outliner method is great for taking a complex task and chopping it up.

Thanks Amber. I had never really thought of using the outliner part of OmniFocus but based on your post I’m going to give it a try. For awhile I was using too many contexts and my task manager became somewhat of a task to maintain. I’m not into GTD in any kind of pure sense. I’ve never read the book but have found some posts on 43Folders interesting and ganked the concepts for my own use. Anyway, thanks for the insights…

Back to Things discussion and sorry for the threadrot.

Tagging isn’t for everyone; for many people the necessity of coming up with a cohesive tagging system is more of a time-waster than if they just relied on the tools they’re used to.

If it helps, the key isn’t remembering specific words you’ve used (the auto-completion should take care of that). The key is to remember what kinds of words you’ve used, and to use the same kind of tag consistently. People usually get completely lost with tagging when they just tag willy-nilly and end up with a huge collection of largely useless tags. Pick a few basic guidelines for yourself that make sense to you, and stick to them.

The lack of a really stand-out tagging implementation is a major problem with current software offerings. Simple cumulative AND searches are pretty common (Things is an example of a program with AND searching), but OR searching is much less common (particularly in conjunction with AND searches). You can often use Smart Views to get boolean searches, but this isn’t very useful on the fly. The possibilities of complex tag relationships (including both dynamic selection clustering and effective hierarchical relationships) have not yet been realized. I think most developers use tags as a fluff feature (“And we have tags! Tags are hot!”) rather than taking the time to craft a unique and useful interface.

But it acts like MS Word - a monster, bloated, bureaucratic, patronizing the user. “Things” indeed is a revelation, flexible and beautiful. Best part is: you get things done.

There’s an interesting piece here on the dangers of trying too many GTD apps and tweaking them to your owns prefs…

gtdwannabe.com/2007/11/are-you-r … ed-system/

There’s an interesting tension with GTD apps. On the one hand, you want it flexible enough to mold itself into your life. On the other, you want it rigid enough to force your lazy ass to get your work done. The magic of GTD is that it’s supposed to take the “what should I do next?” step out of, well, getting things done. The whole point of contexts is that once you’re in a place (in front of the computer, in a car, wherever), the set of to-do’s is automatically generated.

I just recently weaseled my way into the Things alpha, and while it’s a GORGEOUS program interface-wise, I still prefer OmniFocus. My (only) complaint is epitomized by the Today category. From a GTD-perspective, that step should not exist. I mean, yeah, I recognize that it’s a convenience, a way of flagging items as “must be done now,” but it seems…extraneous to me. At least, it’s alien to my implementation.

I am very, VERY far from a strict GTD’er – I’m in it more for the philosophy than the structure – but I have had exactly the opposite experience with OmniFocus as the above poster. OmniFocus is built not upon a to-do list framework, but upon a GTD framework. Things is built around a sort of enhanced to-do list framework. Neither is per se better than the other, it’s all about how it fits into your life. If you’ve got a zillion small tasks, or a very structured set of context in which you work, then OF is GREAT. No worrying about tags, no worrying about “today” or “someday,” it forces a certain level of discipline upon the user. And I need this, and need it bad. Hell, it’s the reason GTD is so successful in the first place – People need structure, and GTD gives it to them.

So things is a great program. But comparing OmniFocus to Word isn’t quite fair – it’s faulting the program for its basic philosophy, rather than for the implementation.

Quickpost:

I’ve been using Things for the past several days (Alpha version). And I love it!

There are a few things still missing, mostly convenience issues, as far as I can tell,
but it’s smart and fast and slick and easy. Most of all, for my working style at least,
it works. I don’t care whether it’s strict GTD or lax GTD or no GTD at all. Things is
keeping me organized and on track, and that’s all I care about.

Best to you all,

Tim

PS. The Alpha hasn’t crashed once yet.

I’m currently using the OmniFocus Alpha but I must admit ‘Things’ looks v. nice. However the website is not very informative on system requirements, but it looks Leopard only.

Is this correct? Since I’m still on Tiger this would rule it out, certainly for the time being.

Tiger is fine for Things.

Tacitus,
I am running Leopard, so I can’t tell if Things is Tiger compatible, but I can tell you that IMHO,
it runs circles around OmniFocus, which I find far too structured and restrictive, and it’s far
more robust than TaskPaper, which is little more than a basic list manager.

Like George the Flea, I am knocked out by Things’ use of tags and its elegant interface.
(It feels almost as if Keith had designed it 8) )

Tim