Won't work using Crossover 17 on Mac

[xiamenese]

@garpu

Thanks garpu. That is precisely my position, so I have been onto CodeWeavers, a support ticket has been issued and I’m awaiting a response from one of their support team.

I’ll report back on the outcome.

Yeah, you’re paying for them to support stuff and figure stuff out. Us freebie WINE users have to do that on our own, or put up with snark in the forums. (I kid. They’re pretty decent, so long as you use complete sentences.) Since there are a few bugs that affect WINE’s sapi.dll (which is what the speech stuff uses) when the native one isn’t present (because WINE has its own dlls, or can use native Windows ones), i’m guessing you’re bumping into those. Alerting the Crossover people to them might engender a fix for WINE sooner.

Thanks. I don’t really know what all that means, but I’ll bear it in mind when they get back to me.

Mark

[xiamenese]

Reply from CodeWeavers:

Do you know what version of Wine Scrivener 3 was tested on within the Linux environment? CrossOver 17 utilizes wine 2.8. On a linux distro is easy to install missing libraries/dependencies within wine using the command line. In crossover mac this is limited to the version of wine and everything is already preconfigured. However, speechsdk can be downloaded separately and installed into the Scrivener bottle.

You can find the link here : microsoft.com/en-us/downloa … x?id=27226

I’m not sure if this would work but it’s the only to install addition dependencies in CrossOver. I don’t have an install for allfonts, if you are able to obtain one you try installing that as well in the Scrivener Bottle.

So, some progress. I’ve written back saying I will need help/instructions how to install speechsdk into the bottle, but in the meantime will set about downloading it.

Mark

[xiamenese]

Reply from CodeWeavers:

Do you know what version of Wine Scrivener 3 was tested on within the Linux environment? CrossOver 17 utilizes wine 2.8. On a linux distro is easy to install missing libraries/dependencies within wine using the command line. In crossover mac this is limited to the version of wine and everything is already preconfigured. However, speechsdk can be downloaded separately and installed into the Scrivener bottle.

You can find the link here : microsoft.com/en-us/downloa … x?id=27226

I’m not sure if this would work but it’s the only to install addition dependencies in CrossOver. I don’t have an install for allfonts, if you are able to obtain one you try installing that as well in the Scrivener Bottle.

So, some progress. I’ve written back saying I will need help/instructions how to install speechsdk into the bottle, but in the meantime will set about downloading it.

Mark

[xiamenese]

Not working. I can install Scriv 2.901 and speechsdk, but CrossOver seems to insist that they must be in separate bottles. If I install Scrivener first, the icons to run it and to uninstall it appear in the CrossOver window, but if I then load speechsdk into that bottle, the Scrivener icons disappear; if I load speechsdk first—which CodeWeavers recommends— into a new bottle and then try to install Scrivener into that bottle, the installation process runs through as normal but the icon to run it or uninstall it don’t appear in the CrossOver window.

I’ll get back to Codeweavers.

Mark

[garpu]

@xiamenese

Not working. I can install Scriv 2.901 and speechsdk, but CrossOver seems to insist that they must be in separate bottles. If I install Scrivener first, the icons to run it and to uninstall it appear in the CrossOver window, but if I then load speechsdk into that bottle, the Scrivener icons disappear; if I load speechsdk first—which CodeWeavers recommends— into a new bottle and then try to install Scrivener into that bottle, the installation process runs through as normal but the icon to run it or uninstall it don’t appear in the CrossOver window.

I’ll get back to Codeweavers.

Mark

That’s screwy. Sounds like a definite problem on their end, yep…

[StaceyUK]

Hi guys,

I’m trying the Crossover 17 trial tonight.(Think my Windows Desktop video card is toast) I managed to install the Speech SDK into the Scrivener 3 Beta bottle I created. However, I am seeing the same issue as Mr X. Could be the problem be an allfonts issue instead? Wine tricks is not available via crossover. They use install recipes instead.

[garpu]

Sorry, just seeing this. I’m horrifically busy this week with Christmas next week.

@xiamenese

Reply from CodeWeavers:

Do you know what version of Wine Scrivener 3 was tested on within the Linux environment? CrossOver 17 utilizes wine 2.8. On a linux distro is easy to install missing libraries/dependencies within wine using the command line. In crossover mac this is limited to the version of wine and everything is already preconfigured. However, speechsdk can be downloaded separately and installed into the Scrivener bottle.

You can find the link here : microsoft.com/en-us/downloa … x?id=27226

I’m not sure if this would work but it’s the only to install addition dependencies in CrossOver. I don’t have an install for allfonts, if you are able to obtain one you try installing that as well in the Scrivener Bottle.

So, some progress. I’ve written back saying I will need help/instructions how to install speechsdk into the bottle, but in the meantime will set about downloading it.

Mark

I’m currently using wine-staging 2.17, shared WoW64. (Both 32 and 64 bit.) I suspect staging might have a patch that bog-standard WINE doesn’t, although I haven’t tried with 3.0. I could’ve sworn there was someone on regular WINE that got it working in the linux forum.

[Scriptdoctor]

I got a reply from Codeweavers. They advised me to use Wine. If that is the only solution then there will be no need for me to renew my Crossover licence.

[Jaysen]

@Scriptdoctor

I got a reply from Codeweavers. They advised me to use Wine. If that is the only solution then there will be no need for me to renew my Crossover licence.

“Advised” as in “go away person you are a invalid use case” or as in “until we send a patch”?

[Scriptdoctor]

@Jaysen

“Advised” as in “go away person you are a invalid use case” or as in “until we send a patch”?

The reply I received was somewhere in-between:

CrossOver uses older, more stable versions of Wine for wide release. CrossOver 17 is currently using Wine 2.8. I’m not sure where Literature and Latte is in their development cycle, but it is possible that the next point release (CrossOver 17.x) will be compatible. For now, though, running the beta version of Scrivener in Wine is probably the best solution.

[Jaysen]

Ok… that’s very much technobabble for “uhhh … shoot… check back in a bit.”

[garpu]

@Jaysen

Ok… that’s very much technobabble for “uhhh … shoot… check back in a bit.”

Yeah. I’ll translate IT: “We’ve no damned clue. Uh, reboot?”

I think it’ll work fine in Crossover, if you could install speechsdk to it. It doesn’t sound like Crossover is set up to do that, though? I believe StaceyUK had better luck on that front, but was stuck with allfonts. I’m not 100% sure they’re needed (unlike speechsdk), so long as you have the MS fonts installed on the system somewhere. WINE (and , ostensibly, CRossover) will check its own font directory (like: .wine/drive_c/windows/Fonts), then will check the system ones. (Or it’s supposed to…it doesn’t always work that way.)

It might also be this bug: bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41488

Which would explain why I’m able to run it, but Crossover isn’t. Although it’s not crashing for y’all, is it? Just hanging once you click through the beta expiry window?

[xiamenese]

I haven’t yet had time to get back to Codeweavers, I’ll email them my results, and then wait for updates for both Scrivener and Crossover. I’m not going to use up what time I have free learning WINE. Myuse case is minimal; I’m more than happy to have the Windows version of Scrivener running under Crossover on my Mac to help with beta testing and to help my collaborator, Shirley, if needed, but otherwise I have no use for CrossOver/WINE.

By the way, @ScriptDoctor, you appear on the forum as using Windows, so what have you been testing this on, Linux or Mac?

Mark

[Scriptdoctor]

@xiamenese

By the way, @ScriptDoctor, you appear on the forum as using Windows, so what have you been testing this on, Linux or Mac?

Mark

I have been attempting to run the Windows 2.9 beta on Linux using Crossover 17. I also briefly tried to run the Windows beta using a Windows 10 installation on VirtualBox also without success. I don’t have a Mac.

[xiamenese]

@Scriptdoctor

@xiamenese

By the way, @ScriptDoctor, you appear on the forum as using Windows, so what have you been testing this on, Linux or Mac?

Mark

I have been attempting to run the Windows 2.9 beta on Linux using Crossover 17. I also briefly tried to run the Windows beta using a Windows 10 installation on VirtualBox also without success. I don’t have a Mac. The Board profile only gave me the options of choosing Windows, Mac or Windows + Mac. I have now added a signature to show I am running the Windows version under Linux.

Thanks. My question was just for info as I wondered if there might be a difference between Mac and Linux Crossover. As a Linux user, you’d probably be more tech-savvy than someone like me, who’s basically been using Macs for the last 30 years or thereabouts.

Mark

[StaceyUK]

Update: I don’t belive allfonts/winetricks is the issue here either as I’ve installed all the fonts that are on my Win 7 desktop computer into my Scrivener 3 Beta bottle. I know Mr X tried in Win 7 and 10 bottles so I will double check in 8 and 8.1 bottles to make sure.

ETA: Same issue occurs with Win 8 bottle. 8.1 bottle is not available to test.

[scokar]

I installed wine (on linux) and winetricks.

I created a default bottle (64 bit, even though scrivener is a 32bit app)

using winetricks, i installed the MS fonts and the speechSDK 5.1.

This got past the black splash screen issue with the scrivener 3 beta. The fonts look hideous but it works.

If you want to manually download the speachSDK, get it from here:

download.microsoft.com/download … hSDK51.exe

then use either wine’s taskmanager or Crossover office to install it into your scrivener bottle.

[StaceyUK]

@scokar

I installed wine (on linux) and winetricks.

I created a default bottle (64 bit, even though scrivener is a 32bit app)

using winetricks, i installed the MS fonts and the speechSDK 5.1.

This got past the black splash screen issue with the scrivener 3 beta. The fonts look hideous but it works.

If you want to manually download the speachSDK, get it from here:

download.microsoft.com/download … hSDK51.exe

then use either wine’s taskmanager or Crossover office to install it into your scrivener bottle.

This confirms that this seems to be an issue with Crossover specifically as I did that within Crossover and still it hangs.

Thank you for your help.

[xiamenese]

2.902 64-bit seems to run OK in a Windows 7 64-bit Bottle. Haven’t time to do anything other than open a project and navigate around it a bit.

I’ll report more when I’ve had a chance to try it more extensively, including bi-lingual English and Chinese.

Mark

[StaceyUK]

Can confirm that it also works now in a Win 7 32bit bottle as well.