Writing with AI

I know, and they’re all junk, as any reader will immediately realize. Just like back then with the plagiarism wave, some “super-smart” people are trying to make a quick buck, but this is more a case for Amazon and filtering out attempts at fraud than it is anything to do with writing.

Perhaps some were simply happy to be able to write a book even though they actually - and knowingly - can’t ?

Just like you and your drawings.

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That’s not the point. If you engage in a competition and you win because of anything not based on your own performance, that’s obviously a problem. Doesn’t matter if it’s just a small pill that “only” enhances the capabilities you already had. If you do the same as a hobby, nobody cares. Well, I don’t. Some will.

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Anyone who makes an accusation must substantiate it. It’s really time for the courts to decide what is and what is not copyright infringement. I am convinced that in the case of ChatGPT this is not the case, because here no documents or parts of a document are “copied” and compiled.

It is not so much the copyright infringement itself that pulls a nerve in my neck…
But rather the collapse of the market that this sudden boom of “writers” will cause.

Be happy with the drawings you did without being able to do them. Fine.
But have some ethics ; don’t sell them as art.

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Well, and I don’t care if “some will”. I’m using it, and do not participate in any competition with it. The technology is now available and will not go away but progress quickly. People who try to fight it may go away over time because people who try to adapt and use it have an advantage. That is not cruel but how technology envolves all the time since the car has displaced the coachmen.

You’re giving away your (“your”) work for free? Cool.

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There are already sites in the stock market that offer AI-created images for sale. Adobe is launching its own AI called “Firefly”. There are already lots of t-shirt and mergendise providers selling AI-created motifs… and so on.
Artists are welcome to keep calling their work “art” for all I care. Some artists exhibit pictures that my 10 year old daughter could draw better, but that aside, I completely agree with not calling AI pictures art, but digital product or whatever, for my sake. Then the artists are happy and so am I.

Which work do you mean? I am not selling artwork (yet). I do illustrate my novels in some cases or create concept images for myself.

I do agree with Vincent Vincent. There will be a collapse and de-valuing of writing.

I agree there is infringement as there is, to my knowledge, no consent nor compensation for the authors of the constituent materials used.

I haven’t written a story if I copied and pasted Stephen King novels together. If a bot does it, I can’t say I did it.

The bot didn’t do it either, in the same way.

I see how the process of the bot is similar to writing, but I still think it isn’t writing. It can’t be metacognitive.

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Okay, and then you give away your novels containing those illustrations for free, correct?

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Of course I do sell my novels and do not get your point. I am not creating the illustration for free but within a subscription. The terms do cover the usage of the generated pictures also for commercial use. Any further questions? You can check out the MidJourney terms and conditions for subscribers in case of any doubts. PS: I have, of course, submitted the Terms and Conditions to my attorney beforehand.

@anon91757562, how does it do the show-don’t-tell biz? Got an example? Very interesting!

The discussion is tiring, because all I read are repetitive false statements, neither Steven King has to fear that his works will be “copied” and “chopped up”, nor will the eBook market collapse, because readers are smarter than you give them credit for. An AI can’t write an engaging novel that isn’t immediately exposed as an AI product, but AI can be a useful tool for being more creative and productive. I have yet to read of a single case where an AI text is accused of copyright infringement, and I can’t imagine that being possible from a technical standpoint. So the fronts are clear and I think it was not a good idea to start this discussion, because it leads nowhere. I hope for a decision of the courts as soon as possible.

Well, that makes no sense. Of course then you compete for a market share (with other authors and publishers, etc.).

If you pay someone to create an illustration and that artist copies someone else’s work, the issue doesn’t go away because you paid for it.

I have no doubt that they do that. I doubt that it’s legal. Because:

“A group of visual artists has sued artificial intelligence companies Stability AI Ltd, Midjourney Inc, and DeviantArt Inc for copyright infringement […]. Stability AI’s Stable Diffusion software copies billions of copyrighted images to enable Midjourney and DeviantArt’s AI to create images in those artists’ styles without permission, according to the proposed class-action …” Source: https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/lawsuits-accuse-ai-content-creators-misusing-copyrighted-work-2023-01-17/

This question will keep courts around the world busy for years to come.

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After testing it for several days, I found that it only works reliably with ChatGPT4. The new version is also able to handle much longer text snippets. A simple comanndo is enough, such as “Edit the following text section using the “show don’t tell” method”, output the revised text and log the changes made. Did you understand the task?"
GPT will answer “Yes” and then await the text.

I am utterly disgusted.

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It makes absolutely sense because all writers always compete with each other for the best rank, you do not? It doesn’t matter, if there is one additional illustration included.

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I know the bot produces trash. I can recognize it. This will not stop students from making or buying AI papers, etc.

I used King as an example of how the AI does not write. The collapse will come from flooding the market with such bots or their use.

Look at American television. Formulaic, cheap reality TV shows outpace and outnumber more dramatic, thoughtful content.

Bots will do similarly, draining the need to write even those sorts of things by people.

Again, if I use an author’s writing as my own without consent and/or compensation I have used the work inappropriately. The bot does this.

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Maybe some anti-nausea pills will help you.