# Zap Resistant Evil Gremlin **URL:** \ **Category:** Scrivener for macOS\ **Tags:** support, text-editing\ **Created:** [October 31, 2023, 4:32am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011 "2023-10-31T04:32:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/nontroppo/32/15746_2.png) [@nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/nontroppo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/22 "2023-11-02T01:04:24Z")
> [@pseingalt](#): > > Also, to get an rtf file, didn’t you have to compile? Maybe the compile process killed the evil gremlin. No I navigated _into_ the Scrivener project bundle and opened the native underlying files (Scrivener uses RTF as its native format) directly with a hex editor and VS Code. This is **before** I opened your project with Scrivener. **This is raw underlying data**. At the byte level there are no unexpected characters there, there is no gremlin in the documents that you sent. The first document ends `772E207D` which is `w. }` – the `}` is the RTF markup. ![Screenshot 2023-11-02 at 08.45.21](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/1/2132c2dde7a82c241ba7b209948543b69ea188b6.png) The second document starts `6366302041` which is `cf0 A` — `cf0 ` is the RTF markup and `A` is the start of `Article`: ![Screenshot 2023-11-02 at 08.45.10](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/uploads/default/original/3X/0/7/073f6708d91e18614374d73c3b4ca091125a05ec.png) Did you change the appearance setting to test? I can “reproduce” your gremlin visually with Scriveners’s settings, and there is nothing in your raw data, so Scrivener’s editor settings remains the most probable cause… ---
**Author:** ![pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/pseingalt)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/23 "2023-11-02T01:07:29Z")
I uploaded a new project with only one document. I had overlooked that the previous upload had three documents. That’s why I deleted it. The new upload contains only one document, five lines or so, and the gremlin. ---
**Author:** ![nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/nontroppo/32/15746_2.png) [@nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/nontroppo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/24 "2023-11-02T01:14:00Z")
You mean in your post 18? That is the project I used, it doesn’t have one doc but two, as the folder is also a document. ![Screen Recording 2023-11-02 at 09.07.24](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/uploads/default/original/3X/0/4/04df2144b4a19ad0c306a11eac6f2a24b068a28d.gif) Pressing ⌘1 makes the • appear and disappear… ---
**Author:** ![pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/pseingalt)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/25 "2023-11-02T01:18:37Z")
This post. ![Screen Shot 2023-11-01 at 9.18.02 PM](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/uploads/default/original/3X/e/c/ecfcce014bb7b9138490d96dda29889e03669b84.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/nontroppo/32/15746_2.png) [@nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/nontroppo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/26 "2023-11-02T01:22:25Z")
> [@pseingalt](#): > > This post. Yes, that is the project I used — you should be able to see this from my screenshots and screen recording. There are **no** gremlins in the raw data, and I can fully “reproduce” the gremlin using Scrivener’s editor, I have documented this with raw hex editing and even made a screen recording (⌘1 toggles Scrivenenings mode) but you seem to not believe me? ---
**Author:** ![pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/pseingalt)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/27 "2023-11-02T01:23:34Z")
I believe you. “In any event, it can’t be a program feature to display a symbol that looks like a bullet–but isn’t–in the editor which cannot be deleted.” ---
**Author:** ![nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/nontroppo/32/15746_2.png) [@nontroppo](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/nontroppo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/28 "2023-11-02T01:24:46Z")
It obviously **is** a feature to use a bullet as one of **four** options in the settings to visually delimit different documents. If you don’t like the bullet, just use a different delimiter… ---
**Author:** ![kewms](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/kewms/32/15720_2.png) [@kewms](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/kewms)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/29 "2023-11-02T01:47:09Z")
Yes, this. If this is a delimiter in Scrivenings mode, then it’s not zappable because there’s nothing there to zap. It’s a purely visual artifact of the specific settings you’ve chosen. It has as much relevance to your actual document as the window border or the scroll bar. ---
**Author:** ![pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pseingalt](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/pseingalt)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 6:04am UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/30 "2023-11-02T06:04:31Z")
What’s weird is that I always work in the editor, never use Scrivenings mode and nevertheless that feature dropped an unwanted symbol into the editor, that I had no reason to believe was linked with Scrivenings. Other gremlins showed up as well…at least I learned a new way to delete in this thread, and I’ll have to play around with Scrivenings to see whether it has a place in my workflow. ---
**Author:** ![November\_Sierra](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/user_avatar/forum.literatureandlatte.com/november_sierra/32/41086_2.png) [@November\_Sierra](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/u/November_Sierra)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011/31 "2023-11-02T13:34:38Z")
> [@pseingalt](#): > > What’s weird is that I always work in the editor, never use Scrivenings mode Working in the editor and using Scrivenings mode aren’t two mutually exclusive ideas. Maybe you did, unintentionally. If I remember correctly (not at the computer right now), your test project contained a folder with text and inside that folder one document, also with text. That folder was selected, causing the editor to load both texts, visually separated by a dashed line. The default setting for the alleged Gremlin. [Previous page](https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/zap-resistant-evil-gremlin/137011.md?page=1)