bewildered with choices

Hello, I just got Scrivener - I’ve been wanting it for a long time, but didn’t have a Mac. (Now I’ve got a Mac, so a PC version is being released, doesn’t that figure?) I am not sure where this post should go, but I am definitely needing some tips and tricks!

Now that I have the software installed, here’s what I want to do:

  1. Move in the bits on a novel that’s in progress
  2. Create another project for the notes and research on a novel in the works
  3. Import several short stories that need revision
  4. Start a story from scratch from within Scrivener

I’ve watched the main video and done the tutorial, but I’m concerned about getting each type of work set up properly. Can anyone suggest an orderly approach or tell me how they got started?

I have moved in what’s been typed of one story in progress and set up some character and place files and I really love how doing this is making me look at things all over again. But I’m being a bit timid. Thanks for any suggestions!

I’d suggest just getting started. Scrivener is very flexible and you don’t have to set everything up before you start. You can adapt things fairly easily as you find what works for you. There is a thread here which is entitled “Learning by doing”:

https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/learn-by-doing-scrivener-a-la-carte/40362/1

I think that is a good way to proceed.

When I get new software, the first thing I do is open the Preferences and go through it all carefully, noting what comes on each preference pane and setting those that I know I will want to change to my taste; e.g. in Scrivener, I set the default formatting—which will come up as “No Style” in the editor—to my preferred font of the moment and any paragraph spacing and justification.

When I’ve done that, I spend a goodish time looking very carefully through the menus and submenus, again familiarising myself with the options presented.

I’ve never done the tutorial, not even the upgrade tutorial for Scrivener 3. I started using it when v. 1 was in public beta or just launched—I can’t remember, but sometime in 2006—and there was no tutorial; and I was lucky enough to be one of the private beta testers for v. 3, at which time there was no upgrade tutorial either. And I think I’ve only had recourse to the manual 2 or 3 times in those 11 years. Of course having joined the forum 11 years ago, I’ve picked up much from here.

But that is my approach … learning by doing, but making sure I know where to find things in the menus and the preferences before plunging in. It has served me well, even for other programs like Photoshop, PageMaker and then InDesign, Quark Express and many others.

All of that said, Scrivener in my experience is very robust, and it works best when you break your project down into small documents and make good use of “Scrivenings” mode to see it put together. It has a very clear philosophy behind it, and my impression is that those who find it more difficult to use are those who expect it to behave like Word, etc., and who are entirely loath to go the path of breaking their project into small sections, of compiling the document then opening that in the word processor of their choice and sorting out issues of layout and re-checking spelling etc. using the tools that that provides.

Don’t think about getting to grips with the whole thing before you start. Know what’s on offer and where to look for it, and then start writing, or importing and splitting up your existing material, and only start finding out about the more refined aspects when you find that they’ll help you with what you’re doing or trying to achieve.

My two-ha’p’orth.

:slight_smile:

Mark

That would work with most software but the Scrivener prefs. are a vast and overwhelming mess, IMHO, and are best approached on an as needed basis.

Don’t be timid. Make regular backups and you’ll be able to recover from pretty much anything.

  1. File → Import → Files

  2. File → New Project

  3. File → Import → Files

  4. File → New Project; Project → New Text

Personally, I prefer the Blank template for everything, which means I start the same way no matter what sort of project it is.

Katherine

Been using Scrivener for a long long time. Actively posting here in all these years. I think I know about 10% of what Scrivener can do. I don’t care. Scrivener is a tool (a wonderful tool, I should say). I use it. It helps me. If I had to know all there is to know about it before using it, I would not have time to get any work done. Just use it. And whenever you need to figure something out, look at the manual. If that’s not enough, search the forum. If that doesn’t solve your issue, post it here. I should say your Qs seem all pretty general and addressable.and in doubt you should be able to find a solution in the manual or the forum without having to post your questions

A Windows version has been available for years. I bought my copy of Windows Scrivener in 2014, and it was and still is awesome. What L&L is developing now–it’s in beta–is a Windows product that will have full parity with the Mac product. so at some point this year Windows will become even more awesome.

The suggestions from the folks above are good ones, even the ones that seem to disagree. In the end, everyone learns software differently and everyone has different objectives for their writing, so there is no “one right way” to learn or use Scrivener.

The Manual - The Scrivener manual is so big and intimidating that many people run screaming from it, but in reality it is gentle and helpful and wants to be your friend. L&L spent a lot of time on it. The manual contains answers for most of the product-specific questions you will have, and probably has answers for many of your process-specific questions. (One of the reasons the manual is so big is that it has quite a bit of process guidance.)

I read the thing cover to cover, but that’s just me. What I recommend for normal people is to thoroughly read the table of contents and each of the “In this Section…” overviews located at the start of every section. That will give you a better understanding of the capabilities of the product. Then read the detail in the sections that sound interesting to you. If you do nothing else, read chapter 5 “All About Projects”, particularly the portion on backups.

Backups - You are responsible for your data. L&L built a nice automatic backup system in Scrivener. Learn how it works and be intentional in how you configure it. There are, unfortunately, many threads on these forums started by folks who have lost work because they didn’t take the time to understand and set up their backups. It’s a sad and unnecessary way to learn that lesson, because everything one needs to know to properly backup Scrivener is in the manual.

My backup recommendations

  • Back up on project close = yes
  • Compress as zip files = yes
  • Use date in name = yes
  • Only keep n most recent backups" = 25. I think the default is 5. Yes, changing it to 25 will take up more space on one’s hard drive. If one’s hard drive space is more important than one’s writing, maybe one shouldn’t be writing. :slight_smile:
  • Backup location = Wherever you like, just not in the same folder where you store your projects. Be sure you know where you’re storing your backups, so that when disaster strikes, you don’t have to post here asking “Help! Please tell me where my backups are!”
  • Use Time Machine to backup up your Mac. I don’t have a Mac, so I don’t know how to set that up, but it sure sounds like a good thing to do.

In my opinion, Scrivener is like an elephant: best eaten in small chunks. You might want to take on one of those four goals first, and not try to do all of them at once. Perhaps first write the new story in Scrivener. Or put in Scrivener whichever of those works you are currently most focused on. Or, what the heck, go for all of them!

I haven’t imported any existing stuff into Scrivener, so don’t have any suggestions there, except to say that when you copy text from another tool to paste into Scrivener, use Paste & Match Style so that the text takes on Scrivener’s formatting.

There really is no one way of setting up a Scrivener project “properly”. It all depends on what you are trying to do.

For novels, here’s a post with some suggestions on how structure a novel in Scrivener: literatureandlatte.com/foru … 68#p233568

For short stories, I have some really short ones where I’ve put the entire story in one document, but for the longer ones, I will structure it as one scene per document.

Hope some of the above helps you with your learning curve!
Jim

A mess? That’s a bit out of order. Tonnes of work went into organising them for Scrivener 3 and we’ve had lots of positive feedback in that regard. There are a lot of preferences, though, because Scrivener has so many features and writers seem to like to customise their workspace to the nth degree.

Yes, I’ll concede that was a bit flip. The situation is much improved from v 2, and the elegance of Scrivener for iOS is even better. Still there are aspects of the preferences which seem quite arbitrary.

e.g. if I want to change the UI font, there’s no global setting. Most of the settings are under Appearance – but under Appearance → Inspector & Notes , there’s no font item (unlike with Appearance → Binder, Corkboard, Index Cards, etc.). Instead these fonts are set under Editing → Formatting → Notes Font.

Most automatic changes to text are under Corrections. But for hyphenation, I need to find Editing → Options → Options (not a typo - Options is a subset of Options) → Use Hyphenation

Composition Mode colours are in Preferences but backdrop images are in Project Settings. Both affect the appearance of composition mode - why would they not be together?

There are also a lot of aspects that I would think of as preferences that are elsewhere – e.g. themes, a fair # of items under the View menu, layouts (which are also weirdly split between the View and Window menus).

Fortunately, the UI as shipped in Scrivener 3 is quite elegant and I haven’t really seen a need to customise any of it – my focus is on writing, not tweaking everything. But I wouldn’t send a newcomer poking around the preferences as a way of getting to know the program.

A lot of this could be addressed fairly easily by adding a search capability (as in MacOS System Preferences), ideally which would search both Preferences and Project Settings at once.

Generally speaking, things that are defined in Preferences are Scrivener-wide. Things that are defined in Project Settings or elsewhere are project-specific.

Katherine