"Bookmarks" should be renamed "Resources"

Huh? In what way would having the text as one long single document be better than having the same text consisting of 100 sub-documents looking as a continuous text thanks to scrivenings mode?

And why would you do that? Like Katherine writes, collapse the binder! If you only want to see the chapters, show only the chapters! If you want one more level, show that level! And if you suddenly want to see the deepest level of granularity for one section, expand that section!

That’s the beauty of Scrivener - you don’t have to see all the text or all the levels at once, if you don’t want to. Let Scrivener show you only what you want to see - in the Binder, in the Editor, in the Outline.

Because if you’re on Windows like I am, page up/page down doesn’t work in Scrivenings mode. And I use page up/page down to navigate text within docs. Did you read my post which I linked to above? It explains my challenges with Scrivenings mode, which leads to my reluctance to break bigger docs into smaller docs, which leads to my desire for text to text linking. Scrivener’s design philosophy of smaller discrete docs is wonderful. I wish I could make more use of it than I do.

Here, I am using the string “===” as my special bookmark search string. To leave a bookmark I am selecting a string of text in a document, opening the inspector, clicking on the comments tab, clicking the plus “+” icon, and typing the equals “=” key three times, and then, if I want, following that bookmark string with a note to myself.

Then I did a search using the binder search bar above the binder, for that same string I’ve chosen as my comments bookmark string ("===").

Then I clicked on that little down pointing carrot next to the magnifying glass icon in the binder search field and choose “Save Search as Collection”. I named it “=== Bookmarks”.

Thereafter, I can just click on my “=== Bookmarks” collection to see a list of all the documents in my binder that I have created a comment or comment for that I’ve designated as a bookmark by including the special string “===”.

Once my bookmarks list appears, I can click on any of the listed documents, which will bring that document into the editor with each of the “===” commented strings highlighted. I can click on any of these linked strings to be taken to that bookmark comment in question (shown now in the inspector), or I can open the inspector, and click on the inspector’s comments tab, to see a full list of the comments I’ve assigned to stings within that document. Unfortunately, Scrivener doesn’t link your binder search to the inspector’s comments list, so there is no indication of which comments contain your special bookmarks string (in my case, “===”).

As it is difficult to see which of your comments contain your bookmarks string, you might want to decide always to place this string at the very start of your comment.

I choose the string “===” for several reasons. First, it is an unlikely series of characters to appear in a comment unless I have placed it there. Second, I don’t have to use another modifier key (shift, control, command, options) to make the char “=” so it is quick and easy. Third, it is a char that is easy to see, especially in sequence. I thought of using the • (option 8) char, because it is so obvious to the eye “•••”, but I’d prefer not having to use two keys and two hands to type that sequence. You might choose otherwise. Also, there is nothing special about the number of chars you choose to use as your comments bookmark search string. I’ve used three chars but you can use any string length you want so long as it is easy and quick to type, easy to remember, is a string that won’t appear in your comments accidentally, and is easy to spot in your inspector’s comments list,

Once you’ve set up your search for your comments bookmarks string as a collection, you can simply click on that collection to review your bookmarks as they appear within your project. The found list the collection brings up in the binder area can be sorted by date, document name, or binder order (binder order appears to be the default sort). To sort the list, click on the little downward pointing carrot under the collection name. However, of course it would be ideal if you could sort your bookmarks by the date you created them not the date the document you attached your bookmarks to was created. Be even nicer if you could set due dates, create reminders, or timers, and assign priorities to your bookmarks and sort by any of these attributes.

Now, it is important to know that comments always reference a string of text within a document. If you create a comment without selecting a string or placing your cursor within the text of a document, the comment is assigned to the end of your document. If you want to leave a bookmark for a document itself (not a string within a document), you might want instead to use the Notes metadata instead of Comments. To do this, click on the document you would like to bookmark in total, open the inspector, and click on the inspector’s Notes tab (the little two ring clipboard icon at the far right of the inspector’s icon bar). At the top of the Notes inspector is the area reserved for “Synopsys”. Underneath the Synopsys you will find “Notes”. Click in the notes field and type your bookmarks string “===” (the same one you chose for Comments bookmarks). However, this method isn’t perfect as Scrivener’s collection search results don’t show you where your special search string was found (text, notes, comments, keywords, etc.). To get around this, I have set up a second Collection that searches for the same string ("===") but only in notes. I have called this collection “=== Notes Bookmarks”.

An alternative means of leaving bookmarks at the document granularity is to set up a new custom meta-data, as text, and to type your bookmark string ("===") into it (followed by a short note to yourself). This method allows you to see (and place) your bookmarks while in the outlines view mode.

Lots of options, all of them work (as workarounds), none of them ideal.

However… there is a problem with the bookmarks method I have just shown. Because Scrivener does not allow the user to limit a binder search to “Comments” only (as it does for “Notes”), any collection designated to find all incidences of your designated bookmarks string (I’ve used “===”) will bring up any document that has your bookmarks string in either the notes or the comments metadata.

It might be wise therefor to use a one search string for whole document notes bookmarks (say “\”“and another string for in-document comments bookmarks (”===").

Yet another complication.

Randall,

Thank you for taking the time to circle back and provide your findings.

Jim

What does it mean when there is no option to “Edit” one of my own posts or replies?

Here you can see that I have set up collection binder searches for both notes bookmarks (with the string “\” and comments bookmarks (with the string “===”). The notes bookmarks are for bookmarks addressing entire binder documents (text and folders), the comments bookmarks are for bookmarks addressing specific locations and strings within the text of documents. The first screenshot shows the search-where settings for the notes bookmarks collection where I have specified “Notes” as the target content for the search.


You have a limited amount of time to go back and edit your posts, 5 - 10 minutes, something like that. After that, they’re locked.

Hi All,
and thanks for your posts.

Login, thanks for the pointer.

Katherine, lunk, I’m afraid that just because you don’t see the need for tagging specific words or sentences, it doesn’t mean it’s not a genuine requirement by some.

Even if I split, I still need to highlight those specific words or sentences to see them immediately (unless, as I’ve said before, I have some files just a sentence or an expression long - really?!?! :open_mouth: ).
It MIGHT be workable if I did that just once. But imagine a living/developing document (a lengthy book/thesis) where at some point I might edit heavily and now I need to review and redo what will be highlighted/split or not…and I have to go over some more splitting or merging and highlighting and…and gosh, that really is not what I should be spending my time on.

Yes, I have noted and do know about the binder’s ability to collapse/expand, etc etc.
And that you may be able to ‘hide’ almost everything whenever you want.
But the management of all those itsy bitsy little files over the course of a book’s lifetime is…just…have I said nightmare already?

As for other tools who seem to do exactly this … you may be interested in granthika: granthika.co
I say ‘seem’ because I haven’t yet looked at it properly, but perhaps their demos or descriptions of this feature may describe it much better than I have been able to.

Please note that when we ask/ed for this feature, we weren’t all newbies.
Some of those who asked have used Scrivener extensively and considered different sticky plaster solutions.
I suspect that all of those who asked knew exactly what they wanted.

So please don’t tell me that what I need is not a real need.
Or that your way of meeting my need is good enough for me.
I’ll be the judge of that.

Yes, Scrivener may be beautiful - but like the love of my life (my partner), it’s not perfect. At least, not for me.

I still love Scrivener. Whether in future I’ll be using it for all my writing I don’t know.
After I’ve finished my current work I’ll explore it some more to see if I can’t find a more convenient approach than the one I currently use (using comments with specific starter words/strings to indicate particular themes/threads…it’s not a bad way of ‘tagging’ but the review of retrieved files in a collection is not very convenient).

I’m sorry if this post sounds rather terse. Please don’t take it personally.
But it’s clear I’m not describing what I need well enough, it’s clear nothing can or will be done about this, and so it seems pointless to go on and on about it.

I’m still very grateful to you all - team and forum users - for all support and for sharing your knowledge and experience.
But I don’t think I have anything more useful to say…so I’ll get back to using Scrivener instead of writing about it :slight_smile:

Take care all,
Michelle.

It doesn’t go all the way that the original requester has suggested (like being sortable, for instance), but one thing I’d like to see is for the comments in the inspector to behave like this:
COMMENTS.png
That way, when you have one document or multiple documents selected, you could see at a glance what text (or at least the first few words) the comment pertained to, and be able to find out what document it was in without clicking on it.

Any possibilities for this?

Thanks to all who have braved the strange Scrivener bulldog league to argue for obvious and rational improvements to Scrivener.

Randall Lee Reetz

Exactly! Thank you "EndlessLoop "! That would be a ridiculously important and simple improvement!

Randall Lee Reetz

Thank you,

Randall Lee Reetz

Wow. Just a very simple request in all of this. Can someone please post as simplified a version of doing this “bookmarking” (of text strings/points in a manuscript) as possible? Or at least point me to the post where it exists.

Thanks!

First, just to be clear up front, Scrivener 3.0 cannot link text to text, for instance like OneNote can. (I think that’s what you’re looking for. If not, please clarify.)

What it can do is link text to documents (via internal Doc Links) and documents to documents (via Doc Bookmarks).

There are a number of ways to work around this, which may or may not be useful to you, depending on your working methods and how detailed/granular you are willing to structure your binder items.

Here is a thread wherein AmberV of L&L Support discusses these workarounds. Be forewarned, it’s not simple in the reading, although depending on which method you choose, it may end up being simple in the implementation.

Best,
Jim

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Thank you, I want to take a more detailed look at that, I will certainly need to change approaches throughout the writing of anything.
This morning I started using comments, where I grab text with an unfinished segment in the middle, tag a word from within the group, make a comment out of that word, then paste the text block into the comment. In scrivenings mode, with the entire draft selected, I am now able to use the inspector to quickly locate all of the unfinished segments in my draft.
But thank you for the advice! I will probably need to get more granular as I go.

I agree with this assessment completely. Having only used Microsoft Word before coming to Scrivener, I expect a bookmark to function the same way a physical bookmark functions in a book, it should be like an anchor dropped at a specific site. In my example, I have many places in the text where I use foreign language phrases. I want to drop a bookmark at that phrase, and come back to it later when I’m ready to work on them. Thanks for giving the hint of using annotations to create ersatz bookmarks.

I agree that calling it Bookmarks is counter intuitive Resources would be better. It took me a while before I realized that it was a place where I could put links to reference material that I use as opposed to putting them in the research folder.

Since almost all my resources that I place in Bookmarks are PDFs it is easy enough to create the book marks in the PDF itself using the built-in PDF tools. There are also tools which help you color code the highlighted text in different colors. You can also color code and customize how the book marks look (italics, bold, bold-italics).

Why would Scrivener want to recreate the wheel when the tools already exist?

Please. I’m to muck up my project at the binder in order to apply metadata effectively. This is a non-solution if ever there was one… falls obviously into the intentionally ludicrous and facetious categories.