Coming back entirely to Scrivener

During the recent years I’ve used Scrivener nearly exclusively for technical projects. I’ve also written a long (published) essay with it, and it was the only tool that could let me complete this complex work with ease, speed and clarity.

But for narrative, new essays, casual ideas, notes from the library, workshops or conferences, I’ve used Ulysses. Two are the reasons:

  • Immediate availability of the same texts on all my devices (take notes with the iPhone, revise on the Mac).
  • A cleaner UI, with just the bare minimum of elements and icons, not going over my text.

There is a third element, that I considered a negative issue, but have started to appreciate:

  • All my writings are always with me in the consolidated text Library.

I’m still ambivalent on this latter point. There are times when I want to check what I wrote on an older essay. At the same time, I keep with me my old university essays or resumes, that might be a useful reference, or just elements increasing entropy in my writing space.

I could clean up my space by dragging these elements out of the iCloud section in Ulysses on the Mac. These would then be only stored on a folder on my main Mac, and disappear from the iPad or iPhone. Having them back there would be just a matter of dragging them again to the iCloud section.

Scrivener is based on a single project. This increases the focus, so much that Ulysses had to add the Project section, hiding anything else but the project you are working on. As if you were working in Scrivener.

Can the Library be replicated by the operating system? In Ulysses, you accept that all your texts are in a hidden area in your drive, that is always subject to changes by the iCloud engine. With Scrivener, you could do the same by moving everything to Dropbox. It would even be clearer, since all your documents would still be accessible from the Finder or Dropbox app, instead of being buried in some system folder.

Scrivener can make backups of the current project where you want. So, in any case you will have a fresh version of the project on your main drive, in case Dropbox decided to do on its own mind and mess the things up. Replicating the Library feature of Ulysses in Scrivener can be done with this trick, and will get you both a synchronized text library and accessible backups wherever you want.

  • Advantage: Scrivener files in Dropbox are more directly accessible than Ulysses files in iCloud.
  • Disadvantage: If you are working with Apple devices, Dropbox is a lot more expensive and limiting than iCloud. And since you already use iCloud for most of the other things, it would be an additional subscription. And a very expensive one.

As much as I like Scrivener on the Mac, I really can’t gel with the iPad version. It is not unusable, but I just don’t like it. Two are the reasons:

  • Synching is not immediate, but has to be prepared and triggered by a command.
  • The UI is too full of icons, and a real full-screen mode is missing.

So, I’m on the fence, with a strong desire to only use Scrivener, but with still some doubts on how and if I can really do it. The new L&L app, in case it can easily integrate with Scrivener, is obviously an additional variable that I’ve not yet explored in depth.

Paolo

Hi, Paolo,

Not sure exactly how much has been said publicly about the features of the new L&L app, but certainly some of the stuff that has been announced about it suggest it may well be a real candidate for your consideration.

Not sure if they are still taking beta-testers, but you might check it out.

GR

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Just a note that unless you are working with massive files, the free tier of Dropbox is perfectly fine and no-strings-attached to use with Scrivener. I’ve never paid for the Dropbox (I do have the premium tier of iCloud too, though, via Apple One).

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I’ve been testing the Other App on the Mac since the beginning. Unfortunately I could only install it on the iPhone a few days ago, and can’t yet try it on my iPad mini (too old).

All I can say is that it is heading in an interesting direction, and that it is a very good app per se. Unfortunately, it has still too much UI for me. Let’s see how it will evolve.

In any case, already one of the best writing apps on any operating system, if you want it simple yet all but bare-bone.

Paolo

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Hah! I’ve done pretty much the same thing this week!

I’ve used Ulysses on shorter pieces for years, but now that I’m attempting a longer work, the shortcomings are becoming harder to work around.

I fired up Scrivener, loaded up my story — and immediately ran into a sync issue.

“Ah,” I thought, “good to be home.” :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I just try to remember a couple of things:

  1. Manually sync often, and definitely before you switch to another app.
  2. Keep an eye on the DropBox icon; that tells me when it’s done syncing.

Now the only weird thing is I occasionally lose the default formatting between syncs. (All the text reverts to Helvetica).

But for longer work, it’s still the top dog. I have just three devices, so I don’t pay anything extra for Dropbox.

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Eh, but 2GB are really not much, in particular if you want to keep most of your projects in the cloud for ease of synchronization. Additional plans start from a very steep price (ten times more than iCloud).

Paolo

My free Dropbox account has 5.75gb space. This could easily fit hundreds of Scrivener files (though my average Scrivener file is 20-30 meg). Are your projects particularly large? (or are mine particularly small!)

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I think 2GB is quite a sizeable chunk of space — especially if you’re storing files which are mostly RTF text.

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If you don’t include non-text stuff… somewhere in the region of 10,000 200kb documents, give or take?

Or it raw text, with no compression, and some rough maths… about 350,000,000 words.

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Does this mean you have 7.5 friends? :thinking:

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Well, I guess we know who the .5 is now. :joy:

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I lose 0.5 of a friend if I ever try do maths in a forum post.

Probably deservedly.

:christmas_tree:

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