Just an additional thought. Perhaps it’s time (it’s been over a year now) to try firing up a new Distro.
I’ve just had a good run firing up Sequoia on an external TB3 drive with the MacBook, runs as sweetly as the internal Sonoma. Have to put some thinking into, do I do another VM or try to go a TB3 bootable Linux? Time to check which if the distros are the most stable, ease of use this week.
Mint isn’t a bad place to start, that installed nicely on Apple hardware the last I tried, and is Debian-based (or more accurately a fork of Ubuntu I think), so you have lots of support for software. Most companies that distribute binaries as Ubuntu-friendly will work.
My own preference is for vanilla Debian, because I do really like the stable release cycle. Things don’t change every year, so you get a nice solid system with loads of testing done to it. The main downside is that it is a little less user friendly, but that doesn’t bother me too much, as I find messing with the details a bit on the fun side.
Another option is a live boot thumb drive, instead of VM.
On Apple Silicon, too? 
I thought this was not widely supported outside of Asahi / Fedora Asahi Remix (and even that one…).
That’s a good point, I don’t know much about that. I kind of clocked out of Apple when they went proprietary again. The last time I installed Mint was on an Intel chip.
I’m curious what the processor landscape will look like three or five years down the road, now that seemingly everyone and his brother launches an own ARM interpretation. At least that prevents Apple from getting too smug on the hardware side.
Everyone uses ARM, and almost no one (except Intel) actually makes their own chips. That’s going to make optimization for specific workloads a big differentiator. That is, you’ll have core logic that’s very similar, but some kind of secret sauce for whatever the vendor thinks is most important to their customers.
I retired my last Intel Apple kit last year. Just looking at the Linux for M it looks as if they have a way to go before it is remotely full featured.
I’ll keep an eye on developments, but it’s not ready for mainstream.
I have Asahi Fedora Remix dual booted on my MBP 14” M1 Pro, and it seems fine, with a very distressing caveat, which I’ll come to later…
I too would prefer Debian, because that’s what I’m used to, but at the moment, the main support thrust is behind Fedora, because Red Hat are partners, so I’m sticking with that. It seems to work fine (as long as you accept that no Linux or Windows box will ever have the Mac’s best of class keyboard handling, so it will always feel a little clunky in comparison).
Otherwise, it’s really good: I can see myself using it full-time on this machine when it eventually becomes obsolete. Asahi Linux is an outstanding piece of work already, and it’s only going to get better. The few features that aren’t yet available don’t affect my usage and if it weren’t for the caveat below, I could easily see it being my daily driver even now.
The distressing caveat is that at the moment, for reasons which are too technical for me, it doesn’t appear possible to run Wine on Asahi Linux – or at least, it’s not possible to do so without an enormous amount of shenanigans involving chroots and krun and box64 and other things I don’t understand in various combinations and with the appropriate sacrifice of virgins at the crossroads under a full moon.
It’s something to do with the kernel only using 4k but needing 16k pages. Or vice versa. People have got games running under Wine, but it’s definitely not yet ready for ordinary users, so no Scrivener for the time being. And as Scrivener is practically the only program I’d definitely want to use, this is not a small problem…
Anyway: the upshot is that this is a recognised problem and at some point it will be fixed
@Cymatics Not being flippant, facetious, nor sarcastic but there is a UNIX version of Scrivener already out there — the macOS version. Okay so it is not Linux but rather *BSD at heart. I would prefer Linux if I could but instead use macOS. Homebrew, macports, etc gets the better versions of standard tools, grep, awk, tr, bash, etc as many of the default BSD tools are limited in comparison.
A second-hand Mac is likely to last much longer than a repurposed Windows PC; in my experience Macs upto 10 times that of a PC — still have a functioning 2003 MacBookPro (one of the first Intel models) whereas family and friends find themselves having to do a hardware refresh every 18months to two years of their PC systems. Simialrly that’s my experience of re-purposed PC running Linix much as I say I would if I could.
If I say I like apple pie because my only other choice is strawberry pie and I hate strawberry pie, do I sound like I like apple pie?
I don’t think so.
Yet, the reason you give are things I never experienced in the many years (30+) I’ve been extensively working with PCs and Windows.
Never was I in the middle of something and got interrupted by an ad.
Recently, never did Bing or whatnot cut short to my inspiration while running Scrivener (or anything else) by popping up to ask me a question. (Stupid or not be the question.)
I am pretty sure this is also true for the vast majority of people running Scrivener under Windows.
This said, I didn’t at the time, and still don’t care what OS you use. It is your business, and I have always been the “as long as people are happy” type of guy.
You are still posting new threads whining people made fun of you after you’ve been clarified it wasn’t the case. What can I say. Poor little you.
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@AmberV
For the last two years or so I have been pouring quite a lot of my time in this forum.
I was using it as a “reset” for my brain during my writing sessions (sometimes getting sucked in by an issue that seemed simple and wasn’t) whenever I felt I was done with this or that, or simply needed a short break.
Although I was helping users (and I am happy I did) my main motivation behind doing so was twofold:
1- Support LL by doing what I could so that less users would get discouraged by the complexity of Scrivener, therefor increasing your potential sales by the end of the trial period, giving you means to hire more techs for development, or whatever would seem fit to you guys. (None of my business what you do, I was just trying to contribute, hopefully (no questions asked) toward Scrivener.
2- Support you directly @AmberV, by helping with the forum, in hope of increasing the time you could invest in other things, like coding upgrades etc.
I could go on, but that sums it pretty much alright to me.
Now, this dude comes along, and not only doesn’t he ask for help, he comes here just to say that he already knows he’s gonna have to look for an alternative to Scrivener.
He can’t get it to work.
I try to tell him that Windows doesn’t do what he claims it does, and he goes ape shit.
I don’t really care about that. My “triggering post” was very poorly formulated after all, I should have edited it more than simply stating that I had friendly intentions. My bad.
But…
After all the time I’ve invested in the forum, it makes no difference.
The guy is a Linux user just like you, so it is love. (I’ll say it again, I don’t care the OS one uses.)
He gives me a load of crap, takes whatever fits his fury for granted (like I know nothing about computers etc, right. – How would he know anyways??), and you show up and put a like on this load of crap ?
And you add to it in this other thread?
No one did any of that, btw. lol
Anyways, my point being that overall it says a lot about the true value you see in people being active on this here forum.
(I should add that it is nowhere near what I would have expected from someone who is a moderator on the forum.)
So, given the fact that my goal was never personal gratification (I am happy I got to help a couple of users, still, don’t get me wrong) but I see no point in supporting you or LL any longer.
This will be my last post.
…It is purely mathematical.
I know how you feel. I feel same. Too much junk talk whenever Linux comes up. From my days in Linux forums (years ago) that is how many apparently think and demonstrably act. Sigh.
I agree with your post overwhelmingly and completely…but for the last bit. Please reconsider as your contributions are outstanding and voluminous. Please do not stray.
At the end of the day you don’t work here. You can pick and choose who you want to interact with or assist (or debate). I simply refuse to reply to certain posts when I sense that – despite my world-renowned diplomatic skills – it won’t turn out well, or even remotely live up to the standards set by the paid professionals (and seasoned users) here. Sometimes it’s hard to resist, though. Whatever you do, don’t let random shit on the Internet get you down.
@Vincent_Vincent Your leaving would be a loss for this forum. But the people in this forum are not your friends and this is not real life. You don’t know anyone here and no one knows you. If you help others because you enjoy it or it distracts you, that’s the right motivation. But if you expect gratitude, you’re in the wrong place.
Take a break. I’m sure it will do you good. I wish you serenity and all the best. 
Hey mate, I’ve hit the same frustrations in the past and gone off the forum under a couple of other usernames only to find myself drifting back, lurking and eventually suckered into saying my bit and sometimes annoying others.
Hang about, you input is valued by I suspect the majority…
Like you, I didn’t appreciate the ‘backseat cheerleading’ BS, but in the end, who gives a rats.
Hang about!
@Vincent_Vincent — your decisions are your own. I just wanted to say thank you for all your incredibly helpful posts to many new users, you made an amazing contribution with a great blend of patience and technical understanding.
This was raised by a Linux user apropos of nothing, and only mentioned by other Linux users.
Yeah, I have to say I was surprised that @AmberV added a solitary like to that aggressive (and from my experience, factually inaccurate) rant too. I’m not going to put words in anyone else’s mouth, but I would hope that in this case the like was in support of the general notion of being dissatisfied with Windows and macOS as operating systems, and that the more insulting aspects of that particular post had been only skimmed, and their tone and content therefore not fully appreciated.
On this occasion, I believe you should have been. It struck me as quite blatant one-sided trolling from someone who, although they had a legitimate core question, was engaging on the subject in what strikes me as a manner highly incompatible with forum rule 1: “Please be nice”.
Given that you’re Head of Support for a company that makes software for Windows and macOS… well, I don’t know what to say? I hope you at least like iOS! 
I left them a message last night, and hopefully they get a chance to read it as I think they took a few things very personally that were not directed at them in even the slightest of ways. So it would be a shame to see them feel wronged, and to leave over what I feel is an avoidable misunderstanding. Of course, there are a lot of people out there that have benefited from the insight and thoroughness of their contributions, and they would be missed.
On this occasion, I believe you should have been. It struck me as quite blatant one-sided trolling from someone who, although they had a legitimate core question, was engaging on the subject in what strikes me as a manner highly incompatible with forum rule 1: “Please be nice”.
The thread was already being moderated to my satisfaction when I showed up, and it wasn’t because there was only “one side” involved, that should be clear, the moderation spoke to that. My separate comment was added to remind people that it’s often very easy to leave one with the impression that a community is hostile, and to avoid contributing to the pattern that I’ve witnessed happening in many other threads.
What you don’t see are the personal messages I get from Android and Linux users who have expressed frustration and hurt over how they’ve been treated in threads stretching back over many years. As I said then, I wouldn’t even call out anyone in particular about it, it’s an overall trend that if an Android or Linux thread pops up asking for new or information on support, that it will turn into a mess of an OS war—that doesn’t happen all by itself, and really doesn’t take much to start it.
That is not a take I’d like to see, and it can be frustrating because we’ve never taken the stance that we aren’t interested in these platforms, merely that we haven’t had the time and resources to address them. We’ve always expressed that we are grateful for the interest in our software running on them, but that is almost always overshadowed by the impression people get.
So when you have people even outside of the forum commenting on that reputation, and saying things like, we don’t care about anything but Apple (particularly going back to the days when we were struggling to get the Windows version caught up), and are even hostile to the notion of Scrivener for Droid or Linux, it can get a bit demoralising. From our point of view, we just want to make good writing software for as many people as possible. It’s the possible part that can get in the way and make timelines longer than we’d like.
What I’d love to see is, when someone stops by to express an interest in our software running on their system, is what I see happening on many other software forums, and that is a respectful discourse on why that hasn’t happened, and sharing any official statements that have been made on the matter that might have been missed.
Probably the most important fact there is that we did successfully have a cross-platform thing going for a while, but had to put it aside until further notice, because we had to pare back everything that wasn’t on a single goal of getting the software done, first. There was a lot of enthusiasm for the project at the time, and we even heard from many people who wrote in just to tell us they had bought the Windows version even though they would never use it, to show support the project; sometimes even multiple copies. It was a fun community to be a part of for a while, and again, I do hope some day we can get to a place where that’s a reality again.
Now as for the comment I made in the other thread, that was poorly scoped and for that I apologise to anyone that took it personally. I wasn’t even thinking of this thread in particular, but more so the overall trend I speak on above, and how that can easily and incorrectly become ascribed to our own position on the matter. I see in retrospect how easily it could be taken otherwise, so again, my bad.
Given that you’re Head of Support for a company that makes software for Windows and macOS… well, I don’t know what to say? I hope you at least like iOS!
Well, here’s the thing, I really like software! I don’t care much about operating systems and never really have. I’ve preferred they stay out of the way, provide a basis of utility between the software, but not much more. An ideal OS for my tastes would be something a lot closer to a modern take on DOS, capable of multitasking and facilitating workflows between programs, and running programs of today’s sophistication, but otherwise invisible.
But in recent years the trend with these two operating systems (in varying degrees) is to puff themselves up a lot, and see themselves as the main course. It isn’t to my taste, and yes, it has become a bit intolerable if that’s the opposite of what you want. Something that can be made lean and out of the way is quite nice and refreshing.
The software though, that’s where my interests have always been. So in that frame of light, I don’t feel very confused on the matter at all. Running our software on an atypical OS that stays out of the way makes perfect sense to me!
(P.S. I’ll be out on holiday for a bit after this afternoon, so if I don’t respond for a bit, don’t take it personal.)
Where has that stance been articulated by L&L? (besides buried in the forums)
Where are these official statements being made? (besides buried in the forums)
Why doesn’t L&L simply publish a statement somewhere visible on www.literatureandlatte.com clearly stating your plans–or lack thereof–for other operating systems? Why leave a vacuum out there?
Best,
Jim
I’ve obviously not read the numerous personal messages etc that you’ll have seen about the subject in general, but that’s kind of the point. None of that was in this thread or relevant in this context.
In this particular case I think that while not everyone would have been aiming directly at our good friend, from my perspective coming independently to the thread, that’s where the shots look to have landed.
In this particular instance — unless there are deleted / edited posts I’m not aware of in this thread — I think you may have let a personal sensitivity from a different conversation with a different audience skew your read of what happened here. I don’t think Vinny is over-reacting.
Anyway. Enough of this.
No, there is no native Scriv3 Linux. There are options to get it to work though, and if you’re an existing Linux user you probably know them already. It could exist at some point in the future. Which would be great.
I’ve always considered ‘liking’ a post in which a person expresses degree of anguish, disappointment or similar to be a strange thing to do, but in this case consider my like of your post as expressing a hope that you’ll be back. I often pick up tips from you and you’ve been a very generous forum user.