No, it’s not that simple. You have insulted me several times for no reason. I don’t want to have anything more to do with you. That’s how I end this. I do ignore any further reply of yours.
Kids, drink up your beer, brush your teeth and get to bed.
/Your Mom
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No bedtime yet, I have to work til midnight, because I have wasted too much time in this discussion.
Work ?
Thanks for the joke.
Simple minds are easy to entertain.
Lol.
You want LL to further facilitate your facilitation, sit back and have a computer do the tough part of what you’ll later on claim as your own, and I am a simple mind ?
Ok.
“ChatGPT, define undignified.”
Seriously guys, is that really necessary?
Hit those boys with a rag that smells.
Hey, heavy and a bottle of bread.
Yeah, heavy and a bottle of bread.
Of course, it was not necessary, but it is also not right to leave every insult in the room, because that only pleases the trolls. There is always someone who misbehaves.
Sorry if I clipped some actual conversation somewhere in there, but I couldn’t be bothered to read all of that. I expect better, especially after being asked to check a thread and giving a reminder to keep things civil.
Attack ideas, not each other. Thanks.
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Still no sign of any changes here.
Why would I check with support? The change is no improvement as far as I can tell.
It was just FYI. I didn’t say it was bothering me.
A long piece, with much about Free(Dom), yet really, NOTHING about commercial reality.
L&L is a business, and businesses need a return on investment to survive.
While you state you would purchase a copy, what about the wider Linux community that seems to have a ‘give it to me free’ attitude? This very issue occurs with the other ‘untapped market’, Android where the mass of users will go to extremes to get everything free, including loading from dodgy ‘app stores’ loaded with malware.
L&L as a commercial enterprise requires return on investment. Are there sufficient Linux users willing to PAY (i.e. not expecting a free lunch) to generate a return on that investment, before we even look at support costs?
Despite your claims, Linux users require every bit as much, possibly more support than Mac and Win users. I’ve used most distributions over the years and have seen a constant stream of support requests from those dabbling with this ‘free’ software. You claim the community provides this support, yet I’ve walked away from so many of the ‘support’ groups due to elitism where those asking questions were treated as idiots by the cultists.
Support is an ongoing cost, requiring a return on investment. That is an inescapable fact.
Your statements about ‘free’ and not paying the Win or Mac licence ignores the fact you have to purchase the hardware. From my own experience, and that of the broader community, you either buy cheap crap that fails within a couple of years or spend just as much as a decent Win/Mac on quality.
This is being experienced across the US education system at this very moment where Chromebooks purchased at the start of the Pandemic are already failing en mass and requiring investment in quality replacements.
Back to commercial reality. There have been demands for years now for an Android version. Given the potential size of that market (if people can be convinced to pay), I would imagine L&L would decide to build that version long before Linux. We haven’t seen a headlong rush to release anything there (yet?).
Yes, QT is (supposedly) cross-platform, yet it still requires a not insignificant investment in time and resources to take the core code and complete a quality product for each platform.
Do you not think, if a Linux version was commercially viable L&L would have completed development and released the beta Linux version before the years long effort that went into Win V3?
Just my thoughts, and made with zero knowledge of L&L’s thought processes or intentions on this matter.
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Hello. Thanks for answering. Although your answer is polite, it is full of prejudice towards Linux and its users. You find my proposal unrealistic while you seem to forget that this subforum exists because for a decade now there have been Linux users buying and using the Windows version.
NOTHING about commercial reality
Please do not use capital letters. Have you done a commercial study or do you just rely on your ignorance and contempt for those who do not use the same systems as you?
the wider Linux community that seems to have a ‘give it to me free’ attitude?
Oh wow, anyone would say that Windows is not the most pirated system in history, along with all the programs linked to this system…
A Linux user is no less likely to buy things than a Windows or Apple user. Perhaps the difference is that we are more critical and do not fall into consumerism or abusive policies.
I’ve walked away from so many of the ‘support’ groups due to elitism where those asking questions were treated as idiots by the cultists.
Particular cases do not serve to establish universal rules. Your terms seem more appropriate towards your attitude than towards the one you denounce.
You either buy cheap crap that fails within a couple of years or spend just as much as a decent Win/Mac on quality.
Are you aware that you can buy high quality computers with Linux or Freedos? Did you know that when you buy computers in general stores you are also paying for the Windows license? I see a lot of ignorance in this comment.
Do you not think, if a Linux version was commercially viable L&L would have completed development and released the beta Linux version before the years long effort that went into Win V3?
Aside from denying each of my points, you have not offered any economic argument with data on the table.
I honestly think that those people have not gone through economic difficulties and have never left the “herd” tend to adopt visceral, conservative and reactionary positions when others only raise possibilities that fit their own use and work. Thank goodness we’re not all American, visit a “genius bar” or ride a helicopter.
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Firstly, you complain about my lack of ‘commercial study’, yet that is the very thing missing from your piece. There is ample evidence from decades of ‘Linux is about to go mainstream’ and the failure to do so to support my statements. Even you admit Linux has a meagre market share.
You seem to ignore the point I made, that I have tried almost every major distribution since Linux became more than a backyard project. I’ve been in IT and related for 40+ years and have significant experience in the vast majority of mainstream OSs. CP/M, Apple II OS, OS/2, Cobol, Fortran, Win, Win Server, OSX, macOS, Intel and Motorola development systems and probably a couple of others I’ve omitted, plus, yes, Linux.
Here’s something else I didn’t put in the original post as it was irrelevant, I currently have an Ubuntu/Win dual boot system, plus Rescatux and provide Linux support to a number of friends and one deluded member of the family.
As for the support groups full of people with, ‘that attitude’, I’m a member of many OS and app support groups and while every group can have its ‘difficult’ people, my experience has been as I posted.
‘Ignorance and Contempt’. Just because I take an opposing view, does NOT (yes capitals) make it either.
‘give it to me free’. I’m not denying Win and apps have been pirated, (I even spent time in the Hackintosh community, though as a technical exercise, everything in the way of software was paid for and I owned MacBooks in parallel) however it appears from those I have interacted with in the Linux community (many hundreds), that vast majority enter the community with the free attitude, whereas that does not apply to more than a small minority of the commercial OS users.
Yes, I am aware you can buy high quality computers… The reality there is, if you are buying that quality it normally comes with a quality (?), supported, operating system which defeats the purpose.
Just love your final paragraph, says it all. Calling anyone who dares dispute one of the ‘herd’. and reactionary, conservative. The paragraph displays the level of arrogance I found in the forums.
About the ‘American, visit a “genius bar” or ride a helicopter.’ - I’m not American, I don’t visit the Genius Bar. I DID (caps again) work there for a while, and while I’ve ridden in many helicopters, I’ve also flown one (and aircraft).
As for ‘not gone through economic difficulties’ I was made redundant in the early 90’s in a company collapse with no redundancy, and spent over 6 months searching for a job, driving taxis all night and weekends and on the ‘bones of my arse’ as we say here, in danger of losing everything, only to discover why a good number of verbal job offers were withdrawn at the last minute. My old boss who knew how good I was gave carefully couched references to kill those offers because he wanted me back as soon as his new company was in a position to hire me. He did just that, and boasted about it one night after he’d had a few too many on a business trip, so don’t dare give me that crap! (In a great case of karma I was poached away by one of the companies he’d given the ‘references’ to at over double the salary, so last laugh)
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Hello again. I won’t reply again because your answer is frankly irrelevant. You seem to believe that your personal experiences constitute global arguments about the economic market, an operating system or its users. I respect your exposition, but I do not share it.
I was made redundant in the early 90’s in a company collapse with no redundancy, and spent over 6 months searching for a job, driving taxis all night and weekends and on the ‘bones of my arse’ as we say here, in danger of losing everything, only to discover why a good number of verbal job offers were withdrawn at the last minute.
Honestly, if your biggest difficulty in life has been being unemployed for six months and driving taxis all night and weekends, I don’t think you and I belong in the same world. I am not going to detail my personal case because I value my privacy and it is equally irrelevant. I will only say that I consider it surreal that an adult person believes that this situation is extreme. Perhaps you should take advantage of your knowledge in aviation to go around the rest of the world. In this way you would discover that for what is an extreme situation for you, for others it is a daily situation from birth.
Regards.
My ‘personal experiences’ are pretty much in one with the global market as far as Linux is concerned, however much you would like to pretend otherwise. I could go on at length, though will refrain from further discussion.
As for your rubbishing of difficulties, I was brought up in poverty, lost both my parents at a young age, though didn’t introduce that into the discussion, and the case I related, you have no idea of the extreme financial hardship endured and the almost destruction of relationships, so politely G_Y on that score.
Ahem. Friendly moderator here. Please dispense with the personal attacks. In both directions.
We do not discuss future release plans, but I can tell you that a native Linux version of Scrivener is not particularly high on the list.
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Interesting how you can jump from Linux to poverty in the world. Or discuss who had more bad luck in life. It doesn’t matter if a Linux version of Scrivener would be commercially successful or not. The developers have announced that there probably won’t be one.