iPad as a writing/research tool

I just want to reiterate that in no way did I intend for this thread to be about “Scrivener on the iPad.” Keith’s views on that topic are clear, and they are by no means rigid, but evolving, as we can see.

I am just eager to feature the many ways in which users may conduct writing/research on an iPad, contra the prevailing message from Apple, that it’s an entertainment consumption device.

Obviously, if we can do “serious” work on the iPad, that will benefit users of many kinds of productivity apps, from reference managers to databases and word processors. Scrivener will be among that group, especially with the prospect of 2.0 and its note-exchange feature.

As the user base for the iPad expands, I would hope that more of the L&L forum group would respond to this thread by sharing app reviews, thoughts on workflow methods, and any problems encountered.

Vade in pace.

Yes, sorry, I didn’t mean to hijack your thread, druid. To return to the topic - although from a Scrivener angle - I’ve been thinking about Jesse’s plain text and have an idea how I might be able to make it easy to integrate with that, too. PlainText looks like it could be a very nice environment to write in on the iPad.
Best,
Keith

For example, Bento for iPad: I’m going on a trip and want to take along several of my Bento libraries. They contain addresses, bookmarks, lists, and notes that I’ll need. The disparities between Mac and Pad versions of Bento are:

  1. Can view Address Book, iCal, and iPhoto data on Mac, but not on Pad.
  2. Can see Form, Thumbnail and Table views on Mac; only Form on Pad.
    (vexing to me, since I prefer the Table view)
  3. Can edit Field order and style on Mac, not on Pad.
  4. Apparently Bento Pad ignores rearrangement of fields in Bento Mac.

The good features: synching is swift, and I do have some version of my data.
But it’s not easy to read or edit.

So I plan to export two of the libraries in Numbers format.
That way, I should be able to see Table views.
Will let you know how that goes! (later) I did it, and it works fine.
The fields are in proper order, Table view, and I can edit them as needed.

PS: PlainText does indeed look outstanding! See blog.hogbaysoftware.com/

I got my iPad a couple of days ago, a mere two days after ordering, despite the supposed 10 day wait. So far I am loving it more and more. I’ve been too busy working on essays to give it the attention it deserves, but I keep finding more and more things I can do with it. So far my most used apps are Pages, which I really think is fantastic, CourseNotes, which has really great features, although I wish it didn’t take so many steps to get to each subject, and Trunk Notes. The latter I have owned for a long time, and with the iPad version it’s a triumph. I am a massive fan of wikis, and this one works so well on the iPad. I use VoodooPad on my mac, but until/unless they make a full iPad version, I’ll just email and copy and paste things over from Trunk Notes. I have tried WikiServer Pro, too, but I don’t like it much. The interface is really hard to use because the text is tiny, and it just doesn’t feel as easy to use for my needs.I am trying MindPad and Corkulous, too, which seem good, but I haven’t had much time to play.

I can see myself doing a lot of writing on the iPad, as I can get up a good speed compared to typing on a physical keyboard, and I find it very comfortable and natural. I’ll be very interested to keep hearing all your app reviews and usage scenarios to help me get the best from it, so keep them coming!

Thanks,

Helen.

As I was browsing through the Productivity category, as has become a customary habit of mine of late, I came across an application called Use Your Handwriting (Gold), which seems to address several different common tablet-based desires, all in one application, and from a refreshingly new angle.

The application itself looks a bit like an old school-issue slate. If you are olde enough to remember when we used chalkboards in class, then imagine glowing coloured chalk.

First, as it sounds, UYH lets you write in freehand, rather than keying in words. But it goes about doing so in a way which addresses the main problem with freehand writing on a tablet (especially without a stylus): the issue of scale. You can either write like a sixth grader, or find an application that lets you pan and zoom so as to write at a reasonable “fingerpainting” size, and ultimately produce a smaller print. As I’ve posted before, I’ve preferred Adobe Ideas for this, since it is free and vector based (a side problem with the pan-and-zoom method is that while zoomed in, everything looks exceedingly ugly with expanded pixels). But a problem with pan-and-zoom-and-write is that it requires an awful lot of fiddling around instead of writing. Every three or four words you have to swipe the canvas over, and because you can’t see the rest of the line, it’s hard to tell if your words are baseline drifting or crooked; it can sometimes be a little fussy getting zoomed in the right amount. Another problem is resting your palm. At least one notepad style application, Punultimate[size=80][1][/size], has taken a stab at ignoring the palm of your hand while you write (and it does work pretty well), but most freeform notepad applications require you to levitate (or wear biker gloves, which admittedly, does significantly increase your quantity of cool points), which quickly becomes tiring.

UYH addresses all three of these major hassles with a single, simple interface device. It provides you with a writing screen, which is a a large area that fills a little less than 1/2 the screen in landscape mode, and 1/4 in portrait mode. To write, you just write with your finger in large letters, using the height of the writing area as the full space you would use on ruled paper. In other words: accommodate for ascenders and descenders. The consistent height and writing position allows you to very easily keep everything lined up on a single baseline. I think the software might even be doing a little to help you out there, as well—as my writing ended up coming out supernaturally aligned.

What happens when you reach the end of the writing area? There are two modes, and four options for the first mode.

  1. Auto-scroll: this one has three different speed settings and an “off” toggle, which is like pausing the scroller perpetually (pausing can be done with a button-press while writing). When you reach the end of the writing area, the text will scroll left after a pause depending on those speed settings, so all you have to do is move back to the start of the writing area again and continue writing. A small portion of the previous block will be left visible so you can maintain letter spacing. It’s smart enough to detect if you meant things to appear together, if writing while the scrolling happens.
  2. Hyper-note mode: A more quick-and-dirty method doesn’t auto-scroll at all but rather detects when you yourself start back at the beginning of the line. In other words, you write until you run out of space, and then start writing at the front again. It will automatically detect what you are doing and shove the old material off to the side for you. This method is a bit faster as you don’t have to wait for the scroller to kick in, but it is more difficult to keep everything lined up right since you kind of have to guess at where the next letter should go.

Writing then becomes a process whereby you completely ignore line width and zoom levels. You just write continuously until you are done. It will shrink the result, and by analysing your handwriting, figure out where word separations are, adapting to your style. The end result is a block of text that is word-wrapped, well aligned, and at a good size for reading. Paragraphs can be inserted into the stream as well, allowing for more lengthy notes.

Disadvantages here: The system is definitely set up for left-to-right languages. However, I tried locking the device rotation, spinning it upside down, and writing right-to left (which the application perceived to be left to right, upside down) and it seemed to be working just fine. So right-to-left and top-down language authors could try rotating the application to get the right behaviour out of it.

So what about the letterforms themselves? If you’ve attempted to do any handwriting before on the iPad with an application that doesn’t perform any kind of smoothing or analysis on your strokes—you know the result can be less than legible. Swiping your finger around just isn’t something we have the muscle memory for. UYH has four different settings for letterform assistance. Completely off, what you write is what you get. If you are a natural, this might be your best mode, though. Then three levels of increasing calligraphic embellishment, getting more difficult to master the higher you set it. The calligraphic hand looks quite nice, but takes some getting used to—the middle-range settings will probably be more comfortable to new users.

Note presentation and storage is, like the entry format, innovative and different. There are about a half dozen different “themes” which are just pen colours really, which you can title if you please. And this is good because the storage model is such that you’ll probably want to have things organised by type, using these themes.

Each theme gets eight slots. I know, it sounds bad, but it gets better. That’s eight slots, not eight notes. A slot can, much like Scrivener, be a note and a folder all at once. Just tap any note’s right-arrow and you’ll get a new eight-slot set beneath it. There is no limit to how many of these you can have.

Consequently, you’ll probably want to organise your themes into large groups, and then use the top level or two for folders, and maybe set aside one or two themes for quick notes and tasks to remember to do. Speaking of which, it’s not a half bad to-do list either. Each slot can be set to four different states. Starred, normal, dimmed, and checked. Each mode has a different display quirk. Starred items literally pulse in brightness—you can’t ignore them like you can flagged items in some task managers! Normal and starred items both also add to the badge counter of the application, showing you how many items are active. Dimmed just, as it sounds, dims the text a bit and removes it from the badge counter. Checked off largely looks like dimmed, but has a checkmark next to it as well.

Checked items are one step away from deletion. The Zap key will remove all checked items, making it easy to clear out finished tasks.

So as you can the see, the storage model is a bit of a twist as well. It works as a simple grocery list type notepad; a handwritten folder system; or a journal with multi-page length notes.

Here are the things I wish it did differently:

  1. Moving items around is a little tricky. It is simple enough to cut a note from one place and paste it beneath another, but because the only way to paste is to tap and hold on a note—you can’t paste into the top level.
  2. I wish you could select left-alignment instead of centre-alignment for text display. With word-wrapped notes it isn’t much of an issue, but it makes quick lists look a little strange.
  3. And on that note I wish the paragraph break inserted a little space, rather than just cutting to a new line.
  4. I like that they are approaching the storage problem differently, and that it allows for a variety of thought-types rather easily—but I think I still would prefer a more standard browser/paper interface more along the lines of Simplenote or the upcoming Plaintext.

Largely just quibbles. Everything else about it is really nice. It is simple to e-mail single notes to yourself, or the entire current slate page in PNG format. There are a bounty of preferences with which you can fine-tune the behaviour. The appearances is attractive, and even though it operates in a light on dark theme, you can opt to send out the e-mailed copies in inverse dark-on-white for easier transcription into the computer.

If the thought of writing notes and ideas out by hand still entices you, but you haven’t found an ideal writing environment for it, this one might do the trick. I’m pleased with it.

If unsure, they do have a free version at iPhone resolution, which should give you an idea over whether or not it will work out.

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Amber, very nice review and comment. I’ve been following a similar writing app, known as Dan Bricklin’s Note Taker. For months I’ve had it on the iPhone, where it holds an unusual niche: you write large letters with a finger or stylus, and they instantly shrink down to a smaller but readable message size. You can write quickly, and if your handwriting is reasonable, the notes are legible. The app includes editing and classifying commands, and you may export notes via e-mail or synching to the usual cloud servers.

Dan Bricklin is well known in the IT world as the creator of VisiCalc, the first spreadsheet for personal computers. I had assumed that he would let buyers of his iPhone app know when the iPad version was ready…but he did not. Released in May, 2010, the Pad version has an excellent layout and looks even more useful, at least in this video: iphone-video.buemo.net/2010/06/d … -app-demo/. I will get a copy soon and try it out. I am more inclined to type notes on the Pad with my wireless keyboard, but a hand-writing-note app can be very useful in many circumstances. On the App Store, look for Note Taker HD.

These two note taking apps look really nice. I’m curious if someone has used both of them…

(Just looking at the reviews, videos, and screenshots, I’m more inclined to use Note Taker HD as I don’t really need yet another way to have todo lists. The potential integration with Evernote for character recognition is also appealing…)

Shameless self-promotion: I wrote the following feature article for Computerworld:

8 highly useful apps for reading and writing on the iPad
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9178441/8_highly_useful_apps_for_reading_and_writing_on_the_iPad

We welcome self-promotion round these parts. :slight_smile: Interesting article, as always, and good to see you recommending - and using - Simplenote (especially since, as mentioned upthread, Scrivener 2.0 will allow syncing with it - although I seem to recall that you don’t use Scrivener much these days yourself, so it may be of limited use to you personally :slight_smile: ).

I really do wonder how programs such as Documents to Go and Office HD2 manage to provide rich text editing - I can only guess that they are big, established companies with coders who have written a basic editing system on top of CoreText, but I don’t know.

Good to know that Docs to Go works with Dropbox - I’m going to have to try it, as I’m working on a form of folder syncing for Scriv, too. Can Docs to Go open and edit RTF files?

Thanks,
Keith

I use Scrivener every day! I went away from it for a year or so, but now I’m back. My current novel is all over the place, and Scrivener does a fantastic job of keeping track of all the little pieces flying around. I’m writing the novel in little bits, working on scenes at the beginning, middle, and end as they occur to me, and Scrivener is brilliant for that kind of organization. Or, disorganization.

For my professional writing, I do articles that are under 2,000 words, and plain text, so I use TextMate for that.

I use Word under duress.

I can’t find documentation to support this, but it appears DocsToGo only supports read-only for RTF. Which is puzzling, given that they support reading and writing DOC and DOCX.

Ah, great! I know I read a blog or article somewhere in which you mentioned leaving Scrivener for a while - not that I’m stalking you or anything!

Thanks - disorganisation is what I do best, sadly.

I hear Jason Snell of Macworld has exactly the same workflow, interestingly.

Yes, I just bought it to test this out, and it doesn’t do RTF. That’s a shame, as it would have been ideal for editing Scrivener documents on the go using the feature I’m working on right now, via Dropbox. I could provide .doc or .docx sync too, but the trouble there is that it’s too destructive because of the poor OS X export methods - users would find indents and line spacing gone, along with other elements that I can support RTF. Hmm. Oh well, plain text via Simplenote (where users are more likely to expect some destructiveness because of the use of plain text) will still be a good solution.

Thanks,
Keith

P.S. Apologies to Druid for going off-topic to talk about Scrivener again, but this thread is really useful for hearing about other programs on the iPad that Scrivener might potentially be able to work with.

Keith, no apology necessary. I went off to explore TextMate, and I found MW’s review of iPad apps interesting, too.

I had a disaster today: spilled hot TEA (with milk) onto my MB keyboard. Did all the recommended stuff to revert disaster. Result: the MBP still boots and all programs run OK, but it won’t sleep and several keys (that first received spill) don’t work. Consulted with my IT folks and they said bring it home; maybe all it needs is a new keyboard.

So, I’m on the road and have only an iPad for use. Spent the day drafting text on e-mails and really missing Scrivener. Tomorrow, will use other writing apps to keep work going forward. The lack of multi-tasking or two-pane display of notes/text; that’s what really hurts–and this trip has another week to go. Just when a new idea for a screenplay really took off! :frowning:

Wow, that was some potent tea if it converted your MacBook to a Macbook Pro!

That aside, good luck getting on with the rest of your trip using the iPad. I guess now you’ll get to put it to the test for sustained writing. Did you bring the keyboard for it?

Also, does the computer sleep if you use the Apple menu function? If it does, then it might just be the hinge switch that got shorted out.

Druid,

I know this is less than ideal, but use a wireless keyboard for the MB. That will give you a functional, if not ideal, working environment.

Amber, I meant to go back and edit that slip; it was an MBP all along.
Jaysen, I am humbled by the brilliance of your suggestion. Duh for me.
I DO have the wireless keyboard along, and I’ll see if I can link it to the MBP.
Thanks, guys, for your interest and help.

One major change in my computer-human behavioral interface:
I now keep tea/cookies on a table behind me.
To access, I must pivot away from 'puter, put my back to it, and sip/munch.

So I am too lazy to move my cup more than 3" away from my precious. But I have a couple of solutions for you to contemplate.

  1. Spill proof mug: I have one that has a low flow, push button top. When it spills it just trickles out of the opening. The flow rate is acceptable for drinking though. Purchased at Target or Wegmans (those in NY will know that this is the grocery store to end all grocery stores).
  2. Spill proof mug: The “pyramid” mug. I have not managed to spill it yet. hard to find but worth it.
  3. Elevate the system. One workstation I use is to remote for my “fancy cups” but I can put the system a few inches higher then that desk surface. This keeps the liquid from actually getting on the system as the cup contents can not breach the rim (cup doesn’t tilt enough).
  4. Work on your lap. Put the cup on a table to your side. Added benefit of easy napping when you get board reading unhelpful tips from headless people.

All great suggestions. I have a spill-proof mug and may try that.
But I am so distracted when writing, and so traumatized by the disaster;
My first spill in 3 decades of computing, that I may never bring liquid nearby again.

Bad news on use of wireless keyboard: the MBP can’t find it.
I put in new batteries, used the Keyboard pane in System Preferences.
No go. Must be additional damage in the MBP.
It’s odd; mostly it works fine for viewing, web streaming, iTunes.
But my interaction with it is stunted.
Good news: my spouse is letting me use her MBP.
And she is working on the iPad. Life goes on.

Did you spill on caps lock side of the MBP?

You may need to reset the wireless KB as it is currently paired to your iPad. But since you have it working on the “better half’s” system no need.

KB - I’m wondering how you plan to manage imported Simplenote files inside of Scrivener? A separate folder in Scrivener, with everything in that folder synched to Simplenote? My concern is that I have Notational Velocity to synch all text files in my “Current Documents” folder to Simplenote.

That was one I wrote when I was back at InformationWeek. Glad to know you’re reading my stuff.

I wouldn’t call it a workflow – they’re two separate workflows. The projects I use Textmate for never touch Scrivener, and vice-versa. Scrivener is for novels, Textmate and Word are for articles and blog posts. Mostly Textmate.

I’ll have to look for Jason’s article.

I plan a follow-up article on note-taking and idea-sketching apps for the iPad. Any objection if I link here to this thread and individual comments in it? I like to give credit, but I don’t want to draw unwanted attention either.

I googled “Jason Snell Scrivener” and came up with this podcast:

http://macpowerusers.com/2010/06/mpu-029-workflows-with-jason-snell/

It’s a podcast. This kind of thing is like porn to me - I can’t wait to listen.