Linking Notes within Scapple

A humble proposal for the hyperlinking of notes in Scapple. I just found out that I can create a link in a Scapple note that opens up a document in Scrivener. But what about hyperlinks within Scapple?

Say there’s a Note way down over here in this corner, but it relates to a Note way far over this way. Each Note is within its own collection of Notes contained within a Background Shape. (Meaning there’s at least two groups of Notes, all contained within their own Background Shape because each collection refers to a different subject or concept. This is why I cannot merely connect the Notes with arrows or lines.) However, it’s useful to link one Note to the other for whatever reason.

While I’m at it: Perhaps a Note in one Scapple board can also link to a Note in another, different Scapple Board?

NOTE: I figured this might be useful for really large Scapple Boards. This is kind of like turning Scapple into a personal wiki. I know people use Obsidian for that; I tried Obsidian three times and didn’t care for it for various reasons. I think my brain is wired differently. I understand Scapple; Obsidian, not so much.

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What I like to do in those cases is to prefix the note with a unique tag generated by my text-expander (time-based, you’ll never have the same tag twice), and then copy/paste it into the other concerned notes.
After that, search (Find) can cycle you through.

I also sometimes use them tags to establish a connection between Scapple and a precise location within a Scrivener document.

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I just tried to do that. I can’t figure out how. (“Precise location?” That would be great!)

I just drop it wherever I want. (Scapple and/or Scrivener.)
Then when I want to access other related notes, I copy/paste it in search.

•#{dateTime:Hmsz}•

or [your text expander format - Hmsz]

(The z value is a bit overkill, I don’t know why I’ve put it in there.)

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Oh, so you need that text expander, not a function native to Scrivener or Scapple.

Yes, you need a text expander. (Any ; pretty sure they can all handle that.)
You could do without, in Scrivener (Windows version), but Scapple… No (as far as I can tell).

Or use this :

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Seems complicated to me; I’d rather have the same method used in linking a doc in Scrivener to another doc in Scrivener (or, like I said in the OP, a link in a Scapple note that opens up a document in Scrivener.) Just highlight some text, create a link, and then select another note.

This you can do.
Search my posts + AmberV

Yes, I know. I mentioned in the OP that I had just discovered I can do that.

That got me to thinking about linking Scapple Notes to each other.

I love Scapple, but there is a similar mind map software called Simplemind pro. Can link inside mindmap, has inspector like interface where can hide text for a note so not clog mindmap, have preview of images in a note, can vary note shape, label connections and create multiple different mind map types in the same mindmap. All for a one time fee and free trial.

some sample images my version of a character card and wherever a red dot is is hidden blocks of text as much as you want.

overview image showing different types of mind map styles in one mind map

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Not interested in paying, but thanks!

Unfortunately, Simplemind Pro (just 30 bucks, so paying for it in case would not have been the problem) is a strict, graphic outliner (people erroneously call’em “mind map” tools: good night if your mind was THAT simple indeed…), i.e. does NOT allow elements, let alone clusters of elements, independent of the graphic’s central (i.e. root) element, so it’s not a Scapple alternative.

Which is an incredible pity indeed since in the Windows desktop non-subscription world at least, there is not a single similar program (even at tenfold the price), coming with a Notes pane (as SimpleMind Pro does, see the first screenshot above), and which is necessary in such a graphic software (years ago, the name was “flowcharters”, today it would rather be “concept maps”), in order to preserve a neat “map”, graphic, with additional info readily available upon selection of the element or just “mouse over”: What had been perfectly possible with Mixrografx Flowcharter 2000 more than 25 years ago, has simply become unavailable in “flowcharters” since, and e.g. Scapple developers prefer to “hold it simple”, I was told: obviously, this means their code base, and not their customers’ canvases, but then, my suggestions for streamlining Scapple-user interaction, here in this forum, have never been addressed either which puts the forum thread “Is Scapple still being developed or supported?” in another, dire perspective, whatever people may say in there re cars not becoming flying saucers in time not meaning there’s no development.

Thus I trialed SimpleMind Pro, and its Notes pane works as expected (its too tiny font can be resized (not in the Font settings but) in the pane’s settings), but those so-called (=strictly-hierarchical, whatever their “free” lay-out on the canvas may fallaciously indicate otherwise) “mind maps” are invariably limiting your mind…

As is Scapple, by relegating any additional ideas / details / whatever there is which would clutter your graphic, to (at the very least) some second software (e.g. Scrivener, and then happy forth-and-back between the two, again and again and again, even in (iteratively occurring, no “waterfall”) conceptual stages in-between writing, in other words:

Current Scapple forces you to separate elements which you should hold together* so that in your mind, they will NOT fall apart… and thus partly in oblivion - or you will cramp the canvas in a way that you’ll again and again miss parts of the wood for sheer mixup of trees.

*=The (lesser) alternative to a Notes pane (on-off by toggle, obviously, and empty-filled = automatic by existence or non-existence of additional text for the selected / hovered-on canvas element) having been the implementation of “lavels”, whatever you call them: (sufficiently-sized and immediately-editable!) text boxes appearing upon hovering over an element (here again with resizable, and persistent for all these boxes then, font size)…

but here again I was told (obviously code) simplicity was the marching orders, not optimized, really smooth interaction between user’s mind, screen and user’s hand(s).

Scapple, Visio et al. fall behind in functionality, even to software available a whole (human) generation ago, and their developers get away with it because fanboys, instead of putting a “+1” beneath legitimate requirements, ridicule’em as being not only irrelevant but out of the question, see the flying cars in the thread mentioned above.

Btw, Scapple’s (fixed = invariable) link format to third-party files prevents the user from creating “deep links”, from Scapple canvas elements to specific items, pages, paragraphs, etc within (sic!) third-party text files (instead of just to the file in whole), even if those needed “deep links” observe the acknowledged standard formats - this may be different for items within “Scrivener” though, I haven’t tried this, Scrivener not being my preferred writing software, for some functionality lacking, and having been lacking for many years. Which is a pity twofold, especially considering its extended user base, for one, that should enable some development, and, second, so many writers’ output would stand stand to gain… :wink:

EDIT

It just occurs to me that I could mention an interesting variant, seen (more or less) in “Ron’s Data Edit”: There, the (csv) cells don’t have “text a”, and then, in a Notes panes, there is additional “text b”, but you put the whole text into the cell - directly or via the Notes pane in case -, but (according to the cell formatting) only the very first line of the text is seen within the cell.

Now, in Scapple (or similar programs), the developer might present a setting (=toggle at the user’s discretion) that the canvas elements only display their text up to the very first newline, AND - that might be a little bit demanding code-wise though? - the elements’ respective sizes will be adjusted to that very first part of the text… whilst the Note pane then will (as in Ron’s Data Edit) always display the whole text, i.e. including the very first line of it (“line” being understood as the part before the very first newline, as said, and which might be more than one technical “line” within the element itself, due to its word wrap according to the element’s size and the line length).

Thus, Scapple’s canvas would display the elements with their (more or less detailed) “title” line, whilst the Note field would repeat that “title” - i.e. NO empty Note pane anymore, for any canvas element -, and the full text in case; obviously (and as in the above-mentioned applications), the Note pane should be resizable, so that the user could decide if they just want to see the canvas, or just some additional text, or quite some additional text, to the detriment of their canvas size - according to their needs, and to their screen size/numbers, obviously.

I personally think this would be the most elegant solution… or would have been if anybody who develops that kind of (desktop, “Windows” Scapple-like) software had currently implemented such an “additional text in place, but not in the canvas” functionality. :wink:

You can add a new hub for notes in simple mind pro by simply right clicking and follow menu below to create a new separate topic to build off of.

Or double click in an empty space to create a new separate topic node.

I show a mind map of current project with clear separate file clusters with different configurations. I kept mind map templates with different preset templates and simply add to new topic node.

You can select a whole mind map if you keep as a template and copy and then go to empty area of your current mindmap and right click choose Edit > Paste as Central Theme and is pasted in as a separate area. I agree the information on using this is a little hidden.

You can add one way links to jump around the mind map. I created a mindmap hub to jump out and back around the areas of the mindmap.

Each topic has a menu option … which includes the options to add links

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