What does the “market” says? That Linux users are a minority or that they are also poor, mean, miserable, pirates, hackers?
What makes me tired of these topics is not the statistics or the data, but how they are used to build an elitist and pretentious narrative against other users just because of the choice of an operating system.
The market says only that companies are not finding it profitable to be in the Linux consumer market. If it was profitable, meaning the users bought licenses for software, then there would be more companies selling consumer products in that space.
You can make the argument “no one has brought the right product”. Which makes bringing any product very risky. It’s just an issue of market and risk analysis. And Linux isn’t an OS that many companies see as a good opportunity for investment.
It isn’t personal. It is business.
I don’t see the technical point.
What is it exactly? You already released a Linux version that some people are still using.
What’s the difficulty? Wayland. GTK? QT6? Provide some libs and the community will do your product, and that would be a +4% of benefits.
Not guaranteed, but at least, try!
You are too closed, people does not “hack” so much, no one here wants to steal your soft, especially in your domain with your strong brand image.
Let’s be crazy: put a roadmap online and what has to be expected for Linux users. Write your needs too.
Sorry, but you need to get off your elitist and pretentious high horse. Getting just a little boring.
Apologies in advance if that oversteps any boundary.
I can’t speak for L&L, but just perhaps everyone is fully utilized with current projects. Just perhaps.
As for ‘community doing the project’, then do L&L lose control of their IP?
I have an idea, ‘let’s be crazy’ and let L&L decide their priorities (like any other commercial enterprise). I think they know that some people would like Android and Linux versions.
“Cheap” is not a synonym for “poor.”
That’s not actually true. Non-profit corporations are a real thing that exists. Many universities and hospitals fall under that umbrella, but so does, for instance, the Wikimedia Foundation.
Literature & Latte, however, does not.
Anyone who wants it can ask for a copy of the Scrivener project specification. That’s the place to start.
Yes several of the world’s richest men are notoriously ‘cheap’ when it comes to paying their workers (who help make them so rich) a living wage.
I do love a good OS-war thread!
OS statistics are a bit of a red herring, for a number of reasons…
Firstly, the most commonly quoted statistics (that I’ve seen, anyway) are OSes as a proportion of devices. There is a big difference between devices and users, and many people will own multiple devices.
Secondly, the proportion of all users globally isn’t as useful a statistic as, say, the proportion of writers, the proportion of people who want to be writers, or the proportion of people who identify as “creative”. For example, 72% of desktop devices run Windows, but 96% of desktop gamers are using Windows. That gets complicated again when you consider what proportion of gamers are desktop gamers vs gamers generally across consoles, mobile platforms, etc. Stats are only relevant if they relate to your target market.
Thirdly, use preference is a key differentiator. Consider the different results between the following three cuts of data, all of which are true but which each tell a different story:
Proportion of Pigfender’s devices by OS:
Proportion of time Pigfender spends on each OS:
Proportion of Pigfender’s writing time on each OS:
Fourthly, proportions are actually irrelevant compared to raw volumes numbers as it’s that market size (not it’s comparison to something else) that needs to be compared to the development and support efforts to bring a new OS onboard — especially as every additional OS brings increased potential for feature divergence and overall increases to core development timelines.
That’s all a long winded way of saying… it’s great that you’re enthused about the product and would like to have more ways to use it — but it’s unlikely that the option slipped LL’s minds, and quoting stats aren’t likely to be convincing.
There is an interesting debate to be had here. For example, you could make the argument that “non-profit” just describes what an organisation does with it’s profit (e.g., re-invests 100% in services) rather than it’s attitude to revenues and costs.
Ask anyone who has had to negotiate with their University how much income share they get from IP arising from their woek whether academic institutions are unmotivated by profit / financial returns! 
Here’s a funny thing… 100% of you Internet time is on Linux as somewhere in the stack is a Linux derived embedded OS. WiFi router, broadband modem, ISP core, the interconnects are 100%, then you have the remote side. So take your time, add the percentage that is “network touching” and put half of that in Linux. We are all Linux users in some sense.
And I don’t know if I would call this an OS war as much as a business philosophy battle. Ex: non-profits are required to make a profit to maintain operations (and sports teams)… they don’t pay dividends.
Indeed, pigfender.com is hosted on a Linux based whatchamathingey. I have no idea about novelinaday.com but I strongly suspect it is too.
As a user of devices with the OSes, though, I’m happy with Linux being something I hear about from time to time but don’t have to learn to spell.
It is the Pareto Principle applied to product development.
I select Linux hosting as a matter of course. But, and here’s the big but, I would not come close to choosing Linux for my day to day OS. It’s just not as polished, kludgy in some ways, and sadly lacking in the level of support available for MacOS and even Win.
I’m talking in depth, free vendor support, not a group of wannabe ‘experts’ on forums (we get that with Mac, Win, most apps)
Wow… Ya’ll have gone so far afield from where this romp started…
First off I dislike the fact that someone thinks I was threatening them with my friendly advice. I was just trying to help keep from poisoning the well. It really was offered in a friendly way.
Second, statistics… Where to start on this one. I’ve used several flavors of the *nix and I’ve found that each distro has its own distinct brand of devotees who themselves have certain lines in the sand when it comes to things. I’ve been told the Emacs vs Vim flamewars make Wagnerian Sags look tame, while Gnome vs KDE only looks like a ill-considered land war in Asia. One thing I know is that when it comes down to it, almost every Linux user runs or is tempted to run some form of Wine. Sometimes you have to Spoof the OS running to get around a cranky dev that distro-locks their software. This isn’t ‘lying’ or ‘selling out to Micro$oft’ because there is no fraud intended. It’s getting the task done, something that is in the core of every flavor of the *nix. This is why I feel the distro distribution data anyone posts is unreliable at any meaningful level.
Third, the notion the *nix users are poor or cheap: This is usually so far from the mark that it’s offensive to the average *nix user and scandalous to the above-average *nix zealot. It’s all based on a lie, a pernicious lie told by the Windows gang to buttress their egos and undermine their enemies, right? Sort of, and it’s an old lie, so old that it predates Windows95. Like many great lies there is some truth in it. It starts with the simple fact that performance wise you can do more with a free Linux install that you can on the same hardware with a paid Windows license (let’s not get into exactly how many Windows Licenses are not what they seem either). While this is true, its only conditionally true because if you clog up the average Linux install with all of the bloat-, crap-, and spy- warez that Windows comes with, Linux would run worse.
I think the genesis of the lie comes down to the original *nix distros that were out there in the early 90’s. For those poor souls that early adopted and wanted to go back, the only reliable way to ‘uninstall’ was to replace the hard drive. This caused a lot of salty language and opinions to be formed about the *nix and those experiences and opinions colored the lessons those users taught those who came after.
Fourth, time vs money: In my poverty days I learned is that when you have little money and a lot of time, you can go to the ends of the internet in search of this-or-that workaround for your problems to keep your computers running. I trolled Ebay for lease return laptops, among other things, in order to keep doing what I wanted to do within the money I had to spend. I focused on lease returns because they were cheap, portable, usually cared for, and came with a windows license. Later on in life, after I had become financially stable I’ll buy new gear as needed, and if a problem takes more than about three hours on a hardware issue, I’ll shelve the project and do something else because I cannot afford the time. Mark Novak of the Anvil YouTube channel (subject gunsmithing), has a quote that fits well here, “The difference between the novice and the master is that a novice will expend time to save materials while a master will expend materials to save time.” That might be lightly paraphrased (by me) but the gist is that when it comes to the brass tacks, use what you have to do the job.
If you have gotten this far, the reason why I’m necro-replying was the recent like my earliest reply got pulled it back up into my inbox and a half-finished reply.
I wish satisfied Apple customers would stop swarming to threads that do not concern them and just spend their satisfied and happy hours writing whatever they are supposed to be writing. Linux, Android or whatever is being talked about, satisfied Apple customers are always first to respond.
I wish moderators would do something about those “OS wars”, because if people find being called “cheap” insulting (again, all Android threads repeatedly), then maybe “cheap is not a synonym for poor” is not a correct answer.
Other than that, Wine is our friend. Personally, I see no use in developing a native Linux app, especially since there will be no Android companion. You don’t really need Scrivener for writing.
‘Satisfied Apple customers’ are just as entitled to an opinion as you.
The Apple and Win customers here have made considered responses to what was IMHO an obnoxious insult to L&L, their owner, and the team. That degenerated into calling ‘Satisfied Apple customers’ elitist etc.
Those who actively contribute on the forum clearly do believe we ‘really need Scrivener for writing.’
Thank you for confirming my point once again.
This thread having veered far off topic, I’m going to close it.