I don’t understand the overall strategy of Literature and Latte. The brand is wonderful, the product is very good. But I feel they are sleepy.
Are they looking about stats? When you see 4.3k views on “how to run Scrivener with Wine”, what do you conclude? And I don’t speak about some Youtube videos…
Are they so crazy to ignore 4.03% of world-wide users? (source: statcounter on Linux usage).
They could win immediately a benefit by releasing a Linux version, with a minimal effort. Why minimal? Because everyone would be able to contribute, either technically or financially, if needed. I’m a bit upset, because I feel that Linux & Writers would be ready to pay for this effort, either technically, contributing, or with dollars.
They could raise their license to $90 I would buy it, I’m pretty sure this is the case of many Linux people.
And if it’s a technical problem, many open-source projects are now cash-machines. Just keep the necessary part closed-source and release a community version.
I think that we are all frustrated by the lack of move from L&L. It seems a dead company.
Beside that, what are the new features? We had something big called “AI” recently. And yes, it can be useful, even for finding a synonym, finding contradictions, and even by providing an external eye on a text, and so on.
What are you doing L&L? Are you sleepy? Are you a dead company?
So far I don’t see anything in this thread that would warrant a stern talking-to, much less a ban. We welcome diverse views.
OTOH, suggesting that we could release a Linux version immediately and with minimal effort tells us that you do not have a great deal of experience with either Scrivener or software development generally. If that were true, we would have done it already.
L&L generally don’t threaten bans for people expressing a desire, but, instead of being an arrogant … (can’t say that word, breaches their community standards), read some of the background.
L&L seem to have their hands totally full with what we know they are developing, for paying markets.
Ah, yes, noted the demand for a ‘community’ (Free?) version.
BTW, there IS a Linux version, just not supported.
I share the reasons for the complaint. However, I understand the limitations of L&L and think there would be less exalted ways to present this criticism.
For better or worse, Scrivener presents itself as old-school software: no tedious monthly subscriptions, a constant cloud, or attractive dependency-building features.
I, personally, am glad that L&L does not follow the predatory model that other software uses, especially those found for Mac. Ironically, I think that if Scrivener were offered through a subscription or as a SaaS, L&L would earn more through extensions, plans and services. Nowadays, users of proprietary systems accept everything without question if a solution is sold to them as the best. Scrivener is at the top of the mountain compared to other products and, fortunately for reasonable users, does not abuse its position.
I have used Linux in the past, and if I were not on a MAC I would mostly likely prefer it to Windows. I understand the frustration from a Linux user point of view. I agree less with the tome — but nevermind.
I think in order to port Scrivener on Linux many of the library files has to be compatible or ported to Linux. I am sure it is not small feat.
Yes, ideally Linux development should be considered and it would receive a warm welcome from the community.
L&L is alive and I’m grateful for that because Scrivener is the most important app in my entire workflow.
A Linux version doesn’t just appear out of the blue, and the resources for it don’t either; it will presumably take a few years of development.
L&L is currently working on a new writing software, and I suspect that this is the current priority.
You can, of course, wait to see if your wish comes true in the future, try virtualisation to bridge the gap, or get a Mac.
So, don’t think that 4.21% is something low. In fact, this figure is lower than the real number because many Linux users manipulate the user agent of their browsers to avoid restrictions from different services.
So you are saying your statistics you are using to make your case are entirely unreliable.
This entire “so many users, so much market share” argument is moot. Linux is not a player in the consumer OS space in the way that windows and Mac OS (is that what we are calling it still?) are. It never will be. A large portion of that is that the users of Linux are cheap. Users that have the money to afford support structures and will pay for licensing will just buy windows or apple.
If you want to use scrivener on Linux either use virtualization of a supported OS or turn your support to the emulation products.
Hello. I have only pointed out the objective, visible, palpable and manifest fact that Mac users are also a minority.
If you are happier thinking that we, Linux users, are poor and that you are richer, prettier and more successful for having a Mac, I’m happy for you. I prefer to promote humility, the use of resources and technological independence.
PS: I could buy the most expensive MAC that exists in one payment, without financial credit or asking dad for money. There are things that cannot be bought with money, like virtue or respect. Thanks to this forum I have learned why everything surrounding Apple and its elitist cult generates great disaffection in me.
There are abundant statistics comparing the relative sizes of the Windows, Mac, and Linux markets for consumer software. People who would like to make this argument are welcome to quote them.
In the meantime, please do not insult other forum members. People are welcome to advocate for whatever platform they prefer, no matter how misguided you believe them to be.
Calling satisfied Apple users an ‘elitist cult’ is not the reflection on Apple users you think it is. I do not get the correlation between being a Linux user and any superior level of ‘virtue or respect’. And as for ‘humility’… I won’t say more than that (forum decorum rules etc)
You mention the Apple percentage as being minor, (15% is a bl…dy huge ‘minor’) however reality is it is a community of hundreds of millions of users who appreciate quality product with outstanding support, and as with the iOS market, a community prepared to pay for outstanding software.
You do realize the owner of the company and developer of Scrivener developed Scrivener originally for the Mac as that’s what he uses? In insulting every Mac user on the forum, you’re also insulting the guy you want to make a decision to commit resources to develop the version you want.
‘Some of my best friends are Linux users’ (I even run a Linux VM, and a Win VM myself, despite being a member of an elitist cult). I respect their choices and thankfully they respect mine.
I guess I’d better go sit in the ‘naughty corner’ now.
You’re right. It is my imagination that made me read “the users of Linux are cheap”.
I find it curious that all my comments seem to contain insults while other comments contain value judgments as biased as offensive. Users of other systems are gratuitously branded as poor people who use Linux because they can’t buy a Mac.
Don’t worry, I have nothing more to say that I haven’t already said in these threads.
Today, I work with a couple thousand Linux boxes professionally. That’s down a couple thousand over the years as I’ve changed role/companies and moved to containers in the cloud (also Linux). A quick look around the house with just me and Mrs me… 12 Linux systems (embedded, headless, workstations), 1 winblows, 1 Mac, 4 Apple devices. I’ve been in Linux development in various capacities since 1996. It might be possible I know the space a little bit.
Scrivener was never intended to be a Linux native app (KB and I discussed this back in 2009 or so). His goal has always been creating the software he wanted to use, not the software other people wanted. When ideas are submitted that resonate with KB, they appear in scrivener. Unlike with most Linux products, this is not community or committee driven project.
A simple search on this forum will show you that you are making neither a novel or new argument. I would suggest it is tired and tattered. My argument about the Linux user base and their willingness to pay for software may be just as tired and tattered but, there are a LOT of licensed consumer (low dollar) packages for windows/Mac and very few for Linux. That says something if you chose to listen to the marketplace.
Which ones? All companies are about profit. It is required for corporate fiduciary responsibility. Companies have no values that are not expressed in a P/L balance sheet. By law.
I moved from Linux to Apple in my personal life because I got tired of the constant maintenance and being “on my own” when a problem happened that was not a simple RTFM. Having actually support is nice when you work on systems all day, go home, and want to spend time with the family instead of doing system maintenance. Things are better now but… not much.
While I use windows everyday, I find it clunky and intrusive UX compared to MacOS. I also find the Apple support system to much easier to navigate as well as much more robust than Microsoft. Wasn’t a hard decision.
That said, Linux is still my preferred server/embedded/rtos (pseudo) platform. Between my CNC, FDM printing, home automation and various “wife annoying hobbies”, I agree that Linux has a very indispensable role that most folks never see. I absolutely love it as a “guest desktop” with kiosk mode for chrome (have that on a workstation).
If I ever find myself with Linux as my primary personal workstation OS, I’m pretty confident scrivener in an emulator will be the 3rd thing that gets installed.
