Part vs. Chapter numbering

[galacticpresident]

I want to arrange my book so that the Level 1 folders are automatically using a section layout for title prefix as follows:

• Part <$t>:

… and then the Level 2 folders will be:

• Chapter <$t>:

… but this counts the parts and chapters with the same counter, so that part 1 has no chapter 1, and goes directly on to chapter 2 … so I am guessing that I need a different counter, , but I cannot find any help files or tutorials that clearly spells out how to do this ( assuming it is possible ).

Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and if so how ( for the current windows version, not Mac )?

[legacy_rdale]

Unless you’re really invested in your current compile settings, try starting with the preset “Paperback Novel with Parts” (or the “Standard Manuscript with Parts” setting if it’s closer to what you want), which should accomplish precisely what you want it to.

If you don’t want to lose your current compile settings, open another project, select the “…with Parts” compile preset, and then go over the level 1 and level 2 formatting options, comparing the two.

[AmberV]

In the Help ▸ List of All Placeholders… cheat sheet, scroll down toward the bottom of the auto-numbering section, looking for documentation on using named auto-numbering streams. The basic idea is to have something like <$T:part> and <$T:chapter>, so that they both count independently. But there are a lot of options available, if that simple case isn’t good enough.

[galacticpresident]

@AmberV

In the Help ▸ List of All Placeholders… cheat sheet, scroll down toward the bottom of the auto-numbering section, looking for documentation on using named auto-numbering streams. The basic idea is to have something like <$T:part> and <$T:chapter>, so that they both count independently. But there are a lot of options available, if that simple case isn’t good enough.

There is no “List of All Placeholders” menu item under the help menu … what do you mean by cheat sheet? Are you saying there is a cheat sheet called “help” and it has a subsection called “List of All Placeholders” ?

I don’t quite follow your instructions, am I supposed to be looking inside the application, or downloading a file from the website?

[AmberV]

Ah, sorry, I ended up in the Windows section on accident. In the current stable version you won’t find what I’m referring to, those are features that will be present when the current public beta is launched (though you could try the beta if you want right now, it is available from the forum).

[galacticpresident]

@AmberV

Ah, sorry, I ended up in the Windows section on accident. In the current stable version you won’t find what I’m referring to, those are features that will be present when the current public beta is launched (though you could try the beta if you want right now, it is available from the forum).

I have the current beta open ( 2.9.0.8 ) and it doesn’t appear to be here either, but if I understand you correctly, are you suggesting that I can make a tag as a subset of <$t> by simply including a colon and then using any word after the colon as an identifier, and that will increment separately … so that <$t> <$t:book> <$t:part> <$t:chapter> and even <$t:section> would all be separate counters? … OR are you saying that the labels ( book part chapter section etc. ) must actually match some part of the structure labelling, so that the system knows how to recognise which thing is causing an increment of the counter?

[AmberV]

Yes to the former. You can make up your own “stream” names by adding them after the colon. So if pasted “<$t:part> (<$t:chapter> <$t:chapter> <$t:chapter>) <$t:part>” into a file and compiled, it would print as “One (One Two Three) Two”. It’s completely freeform, they don’t have to match compile settings, and indeed can be used in the original source material of the project, and will interleave with anything using the same stream name in compile settings. I.e. if in the above example the second chapter counter came from the editor and the rest came from the compiler, the numbering would remain the same. Counters are evaluated after everything is put together by the compiler.

[galacticpresident]

Thanks you very much Amber, much appreciated with the clear explanation … that’s exactly what I needed to know

@AmberV

Yes to the former. You can make up your own “stream” names by adding them after the colon. So if pasted “<$t:part> (<$t:chapter> <$t:chapter> <$t:chapter>) <$t:part>” into a file and compiled, it would print as “One (One Two Three) Two”. It’s completely freeform, they don’t have to match compile settings, and indeed can be used in the original source material of the project, and will interleave with anything using the same stream name in compile settings. I.e. if in the above example the second chapter counter came from the editor and the rest came from the compiler, the numbering would remain the same. Counters are evaluated after everything is put together by the compiler.

[galacticpresident]

I spoke too soon, that didn’t work … I tried to compile with exactly that in the text ( both with and without the quotes around it, and neither one converted to numbers … they both just printed out as “<$t:part> (<$t:chapter> <$t:chapter> <$t:chapter>) <$t:part>” … so is that because it’s not working in the Win 2.9.0.8 beta yet? OR did I miss something?

@AmberV

Yes to the former. You can make up your own “stream” names by adding them after the colon. So if pasted “<$t:part> (<$t:chapter> <$t:chapter> <$t:chapter>) <$t:part>” into a file and compiled, it would print as “One (One Two Three) Two”. It’s completely freeform, they don’t have to match compile settings, and indeed can be used in the original source material of the project, and will interleave with anything using the same stream name in compile settings. I.e. if in the above example the second chapter counter came from the editor and the rest came from the compiler, the numbering would remain the same. Counters are evaluated after everything is put together by the compiler.

[galacticpresident]

In fact they’re not even working from the compiler formatting of section layouts

[AmberV]

Yeah, I meant to mention that numbering streams do not yet look to be implimented in any capacity yet, in the beta. So keep this for future reference.

[tomwood]

@rdale

Unless you’re really invested in your current compile settings, try starting with the preset “Paperback Novel with Parts” (or the “Standard Manuscript with Parts” setting if it’s closer to what you want), which should accomplish precisely what you want it to. …

^ This

Open your current project. Then File>New Project>Fiction and select ‘Novel (with Parts)’ to create a new project. Re-size both windows so you can place them side-by-side on your desktop. Create as many ‘Parts’ as you want in the new project’s Binder. From the current project’s Binder, drag and drop your chapters to the new project’s Binder, placing them under the Part where you want them. (It makes copies, not moves.) Adjust the Compile settings in the new project to match the original. The new project will now do exactly what you want!