Old’gal in my case, vic.
Jameson, eh?! Good choice, I’m a Irish whiskey admirer as well, Jameson or Bushmills. That and a very good cognac (I’m thinking VSOP or XO).
(Although I’m drinking a gin & tonic right now… this is the South of Portugal, after all, and it’s not that cold.)
Valente,
Galao velho, pal velho, amigo velo todos os mesmos in this care 
Maybe South Portugal is the place to be right now. My old bones are feeling the cold this year, but one has to say, that, the anaesthetising effect of Jameson is truly remarkable. As of course is Guinness(holy water).
Look through the glass into a pint of freshly pulled Guinness, and the chaos you witness is exactly the same as the Big Bang. Thats what I think, anyway.
Nice to chat with the brain switched on for a change 
Boa Noite Valenta
vic
Never a truer word said. Vic, you’ve been found out! 
I like the icons a lot. But I tinted Amber’s clever Yin & Yang to a coffee colour - more in keeping with the idea of latte.
Amber designed the Scrivener logo, fully aware of its meaning and source as the ancient Chinese understanding of how things work. The outer box represents “everything”, while the black and white shapes within the circle represent the two energies, called “yin” (black) and “yang” (white), which cause everything to happen. They cannot exist without each other.
“Yin”, the dark, passive, downward, cold, contracting, and weak and “yang”, the bright, active, upward, hot, expanding, and strong gives a sense of the resonance between these two energies.
I would like to see an alternative that so elegantly compressed into a single symbol that shows how Scrivener functions. Amber’s brilliant Yin and Yang with a scribed S with embedded smart quotes compresses a lot of signification. It says so much about the craft of writing. It also speaks volumes about Keith’s willingness to accommodate writers’ needs. I think it is great. Even if Keith changes it, I’ll just keep using it.
As for the other icons. Can’t those who prefer something else just swap them for their own private use. It is dead easy to do. If you don’t know your way around application Resources then you should go VERY carefully. But if you back up your Scrivener application you should be able to experiment on a copy.
With CONTROL pressed, click and hold on the icon of the application itself (Scrivener)-(inside the scrivener folder).
Roll down and release the mouse on ‘SHOW PACKAGE CONTENTS’.
Double click the folder CONTENTS
Double click the RESOURCES folder.
It is easier to do the next steps in list view or column view.
Now you have Scrivener’s icons and the other app’s icons side by side. As you choose icons to copy into Scrivener you just need to remember to use Scrivener’s icon’s names - or Scrivener will not call the icon. COPY the other app’s icon to the desktop and just do a copy and paste of the Scrivener name over the other app’s icon name - the one you copied onto the desktop - NOT the original one in the other app.
Drop the newly named icon on to the Scrivener apps Resources folder and let it replace the existing icon.
AND you need to match the size with Scrivener’s icon’s size for each icon you are swapping. For example, Binder icon.tif is a 16 x 16 icon. The name AND the size are important.
Remember this icon swap is for your own private use and at your own risk. If you screw up don’t expect Keith to rescue you. ONLY work on a copy of the app.
Be brave, have fun.
Here is an example.
Look Keith:
The kind of reply I expected is just what happened: some guys defending the actual toolbar, some guys not.
No one here likes to be rude, and what could be very well interpreted as “flame bait” is just… simply… merely… wrong, full stop.
So please do take the time to think about communication in general, and, most of all, do take time to understand that it’s rude to take the liberty to interpret my words only in the worst way.
Yes, I like to be constructive, that’s why I started this post: I generally start building something posing the first brick. That’s what…
Please do realize that it’s… quite trollish to be that touchy about this argument… do you, Keith?
This section is about feedback, I gave it…
Are we a community, isn’t it? So let’s act consequently… If you think there’s room for improvement, just tell us what can be done, and we (I) 'll be glad to help.
Hope you understand.
Cheers 
P.S.:
Anyway, there must be something if all you have so strong a feeling about the toolbar, and I touched it… Dialogue will solve every issue.
Your first post is not constructive. Not a little bit. And to have Keith “think about communication in general” is absurd. I don’t know any other developer’s forum that’s constructive & helpful like this …
Come on Typo… stop kidding… I’m getting sick about this argument, and just because some people talk the way you do.
Not constructive? Ok, why that? What is constructive and what not?
Stop your own fight if you like to talk, your attitude is not welcomed, any way. Full stop.
I think you’re missing the point being made too. Constructive criticism is helpful
Your point could have been made in a constructive way, but from most points of view it didn’t appear so. And Keith - as the sole developer and from all points someone who is quite open to suggestions that would improve the software - would quite understandably be a little jibed by the tone of your post.
I am quite sure that you didn’t mean to upset anyone, it’s often hard to get a sense of tone and meaning when there is no voice to convey emotion. Simple words can be misinterpreted. But it is not rude of anyone to interpret you in a negative way. I don’t think that Keith owes you an apology because your words came across barbed. The onus on the meaning goes to the writer of the words.
From what I have seen here, communication is very good.
@ pink:
Thank you for your post pink, you’ re right when you said that I’ve been misunderstood. You’re not about interpretation. What do you mean? First shoot and then ask? If you’re in doubt, just ask for explanation, don’t point your gun. There’s people out there that understood my words the right way, this is in support of what I say. I don’t like offending words, and there was no one on my first post.
About constructivism: there’s really no need to post a definition, I had the lesson years ago, don’t you think?
About excuses: I’m obviously not waiting for apologies by Keith, but I had to point out to him my version, because his reaction to my words was a bit too crude, and I didn’t want him to think about me the wrong way.
I just can’t understand what the hell happended?!? To me it’s crazy… I had a feedback about some icons… come on… Why this touchyness?!?
I started the post to understand what people would think about the issue, as a starting point to do something later.
I think all this anger is unbelievable… Typo being the worst one…
Hello Mindplay,
maybe you didn’t mean to be rude, but your first post in this thread really did sound very rude – at least to me. Even I, just an irregular visitor to this forum and not in any way affiliated with the developer, felt put off by it.
All the best,
R.
mhhmhmm… ok, maybe my english is not good enough… so, just to prevent accidents in future, what has been misunderstood and what should I have written instead?
@ Lord Lightning
Nice! Thank you
If you don’t want him to think about you the wrong way, I would suggest that his reaction was crude. Because it wasn’t.
No-one was in any doubt about the meaning of your words, they just objected to the way in which it was put. Your message was clear, and your words were not ambiguous. So it was taken at face value, and at face value it was rudely put forward. And that is the one issue that has been highlighted.
Not the content of the post, just the tone of it. Maybe some people agree with you that the binder icon looks out of place.
How could you make it constructive rather than belittling? By rewording your statement to offer suggestions. By omitting the word “ugly”.
I don’t know, as I don’t know you. You’ve made so far in this forum 4 posts, all in this topic, the first one being the one that everyone has reacted to. All we have to use to evaluate you is your words in this topic. You alone are responsible for your words, and how they come across to others. If your words are misinterpreted, then it’s still your responsibility to make clearer your intent. If English is not your primary language, that in some way assuages the situation.
Smile and play nicely, everyone! There is no need to fight.
Keith reacted openly and honestly to the concise criticism of cosmetic details in the first post; Mindplay has explained that the post was intended to initiate a debate and was not meant in a destructive manner. Lots of us have expressed opinions (or lack of them) on the subject of icons and related topics. For anyone who feels strongly about icons, Lord Lightning has explained how users can change them. What more could possibly be said on the subject?
We all know that Scrivener is in feature-freeze ([url]https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/feature-freeze-as-of-1-10/2616/1]) so nobody should be expecting Keith to make any changes to the software (especially cosmetic ones). Debate at this stage is therefore academic and probably not very productive.
This is an international forum with a culture all of its own and a massive age-range of contributors. There are so many posts here now that it is hard to check whether a subject has already been “done to death”; this is especially hard for the ever-increasing number of new members who may not be fully up to speed with what has gone before. (I know, because I unwittingly fell foul of this in my early days here, and a lot has been discussed since then.) Technical, cultural, linguistic or generational misunderstandings are bound to crop up occasionally, as well as personal misunderstandings when fond users leap to the defence of their beloved developer, and it isn’t productive to over-labour them.
Let’s all get back to work, play, procrastination or whatever it is we do best. Which isn’t bickering! But in my case, definitely involves espresso.
very good words. I’ll shout you a expresso, as mine is a cappucino. Do you take sugar?
Uhhhh… I see…
Ugly… that’s the point! I was not intending repugnant, just… not the quality expected by an high-end software… I feel it inadequate and in need of improvement… nothing more!
Did it take all those posts to point it? Well, later is better than never.
Maybe because I’m a new user?!?
I certainly agree. The context tells me about a community of people happy about a software… From around the world (not everyone knowing all the nuances of english language). What, if you have a doubt, drives you in the way of public personal offence, rather than the way of mistake and misunderstanding? Do you think I spend money on a license and time to offend someone?!? It’s neither normal, nor logic.
I’m editing the subject of the post, now can we all talk about the subject matter?
No, thank you. As strong and black as it comes, please. But I wouldn’t say no to some almond biscotti on the side
Insulting and demanding. Especially considering the use of the exclamation mark. 
Dear Keith, the Icons used, within Scrivener, are not really to my liking. Is it possible to change them, or do other users have any thoughts?
Polite and the opening for a casual, well mannered debate. 
Bit too slow there. Quick Guns Pink got there first. 
I think Siren got the true last word.
Plus the fact that we’re in a feature freeze.
and because no-one here wants to have a great big falling out, or a juvenile “newbie flaming” episode like a pokemon forum.
Personally, I’m of the impression that I have the perfect application in front of me. I want for nothing more. Scrivener fulfills my every wish. Anything I’ve desired, Scrivener has been able to do.
A happier man, you could not find. Feature freeze has no implications for me.
Or is that me being selfish?
Oh, who cares.
