Please help! Section Types not applying correctly to new folders/text pages

Hello forum!
I will try to explain this clearly as I can. My section types are not applying correctly/consistently to new folders & files. I can’t figure out where I’ve messed up. My novel binder is set up to have a ‘Part 1, 2, and 3’ folders, under each of which there are ‘chapter heading’ folders, under which there are ‘scene folders’.
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But when I add a new text file under a chapter heading, the type is listed as a chapter heading. So I keep having to manually change the type every time I add to my binder. (Additionally I can’t figure out if I am misusing “structure-based” in the section type of the inspector. Is that where I have gone wrong?)

I feel like failure to figure out what is going on will lead to a nightmare when it comes time to compile.

And I really can’t get my brain around how “structure based” should look to work correctly. For example, if my binder structure is Part 1 > Chapter Heading > Scene,
should the a Chapter Heading in the inspector say “structure-based from Part 1” or should it be structure-based from another chapter? I have done the tutorial, tried to read the pertinent parts of the manual, and searched the forum but I am still lost!

I am thinking that my sections problem could be related to my misuse of “structure-based”? Any help is so appreciated. I’ve been at this for two days!

What happens if you select “Structure-Based” from the dropdown menu in your last screenshot?

If Scrivener is using a Structure-Based assignment, then the assigned Section Type will be shown in italics, per Scrivener’s convention for auto-filled fields.

Conversely, if the Section Type is not shown in italics, then it’s something you have manually assigned.

Isn’t this Structure based from Level 1?

Don’t the affected Binder items light up when you select a Level in the Section Types dialog?

I’m wondering if it might be an indentation/nesting issue.

In the screenshot of the Section Types you shared, “Level 1 files and deeper” sits at the same Outline Level as your “Level 1 folders.” And “Level 2 folders and deeper” occupies an Outline Level further indented from that.

Since Scrivener assigns a default Section Type based on the indentation level in the Binder, maybe the problem is that your “Scene” section type is at the same Outline Level as the “Level 1 folders” section type.

Maybe try changing “Level 1 files and deeper” to “Level 1 files” and adding a section type indented further from that (a child) titled “Level 2 files and deeper.” That way your file hierarchy will match your folder hierarchy.

I use Part>Chapter>Section. Parts 1-5, Chapters within each Part, Sections (text documents/content) within each Chapter. Here’s a screenshot of my setup:

Hope this helps…

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Yes they all light up correctly. I was calling Level one by the name I gave it which is Part 1 (or Part 2, Part 3)

I think the main problem is that you have a mix of structure overrides and manual assignments going on, as shown in the first screenshot. When the top entry says “Structure-Based (from X)”, then that means the item mentioned in the quotes is manually overriding the default section type for all items below it.

So go to “1”, in this case, right click on it, and see what its “Default Subdocument Type” is set to. Perhaps it is set to “Chapter Heading”, causing everything, even “scenes” to use that?

Next is the setting in the screenshot below that, where you are manually forcing “Chapter Heading” for this item. That means it will ignore both the setting in “1”, and the global default settings for the project.

Lastly, this item is forcing any child items it has, to use “Scene”.

In other words, the settings shown here are causing everything in this part of the outline to ignore the very settings that you are using to try and change them.

If you do want to use global settings and untangle the manual overrides, you can do the following checklists. Given the nature of the procedure, I would recommend setting aside a copy of the project as it is currently configured, with the File ▸ Back Up ▸ Back Up To... menu command. Label it so you know what it’s for, and keep that in case this checklist is overly broad in how it resets everything. You might want to take a more selective route if you find the following is generally what you want to have happen, but not everywhere.

Reset manual section type assignments...
  1. Open Project Search, and type a single asterisk into the search field.

  2. Click the magnifying glass icon to the left of the text entry field, and first select “Reset Search Options” at the very bottom, and then after that, select “Section Type” from the top list. Lastly, select “Search Draft Only”.

    This will produce a list of all the items in your Draft folder that have a manual section type override applied to them. It will thus not select front or back matter, or anything else outside of the draft.

  3. Use ⌘A / Ctrl+A in the search result list, to select them all, right click, and from the Section Type submenu, select “Structure-Based” at the top.

Reset subdocument section type overrides...

Next, to clear subdocument default overrides, you need a more precise selection of only groups, otherwise that part of the menu won’t show up.

  1. Dismiss search results and return to the main binder, selecting the main Draft folder.
  2. Use the Edit ▸ Select ▸ Select Subgroups menu command.
  3. Now you can right-click on any of the selected groups. From the Section Types submenu, set the Default Subdocument Type to “Structure-Based”.

Now, if you open the Outliner on the Draft folder and expand everything, with the Section Type column showing, everything should be grey and italic—and everything should now be following your global settings.

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Good morning, Kewms! I see what you are saying. This was very helpful. I changed everything to structure based in the outline. And it seems to be operating smoothly now.
Can I ask you a follow up question? I see that the manuscript’s type is tied to the L1 folder type. Will it be a problem later if my manuscript type is a ‘part heading’? I am guessing that it will be ok because the title of the sections is just so you can include or leave them out when compiling?

Thanks again.

Denise, Yes I changed my Level 2 files to match as you suggested. Thank you!

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You’re quite welcome. Hope everything goes smoothly from here on out!

Thank you Amber, you are exactly right! I ended up with a mix of structural overrides and manual assignments. thank you for making the steps so clear. It seems to be working now!

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@AmberV’s advice is good.

Scrivener doesn’t care what you call things. When it comes time to Compile, you can assign the “Part Heading” Section Type to any Section Layout you want.