I don’t know if you have any suggestions with this one - I sub a lot of copy from different sources in Scrivener in my role as a news editor, export them as .rtf files and they are then picked up by our subs who call the files into QuarkXpress 6.5. For some reason, all the quotation marks which look fine in Scrivener ie. " are replaced by either ! or some other characters. Is there any advice as to how this can be avoided as it does create a lot of extra work for them. I’m hoping this will be an issue with Quark and I’ve told our subs I’m not quitting Scrivener!
This is probably down to Quark not reading RTF files properly - although Keith has mentioned before that Apple’s idea of RTF is not quite ‘standard’, so it could be that too.
I’m surprised your subs want RTF, to be honest - when I worked in mags it was plain text all the way, and woe betide anyone who tried submitting anything else. Exporting plain text from Scriv instead of RTF would almost certainly eliminate this problem.
Cheers for that - I managed to sort it. I tried exporting plain text first but that didn’t work; then I changed it from ‘educate quotes’ to ‘straighten quotes’ under ‘Text’, exported as rtf and it worked fine.
We had been sending through .doc files to the subs but Word was such a pain - riddled with viruses etc - that’s when I found Scrivener
Ah. Curly quotes, the bane of designers everywhere
Absolutely, yeah. Like I say, we used to do everything in .txt files before it made it into Quark. No worries with viruses, macros or strange characters!
If you’re using Compile Draft to export the files, you can choose to straighten curly quotes in the compile options (“Text Options” tab). That may help if you don’t want to go through and straighten everything.
All the best,
Keith
The “straight quotes” are actually INCH marks and FOOT marks (measurement). The “curly quotes” are actually TYPOGRAPHER’S marks (quotes).
Many fonts and applications now take into account that people do not use the Typographer’s Quotes and instead use the inch and foot characters so if it is a font they use the typographers glyphs in place of the measurement glyphs or in case of many applications (Like Scrivener) they have an option to substitute the measurement glyphs (foot and inch) for the typographers marks.
I guess because using ⌥+[ to get “ and ⇧+⌥+[ to get ” and ⌥+] ‘ is way to complex.
Originally more measurements and other data were input using keyboards hence the FOOT and INCH marks being easily excessable on QWERTY plus on original typewriters it was thought that the Inch and Foot Marks could also be used as typographical marks as well. Typesetters would then substitute Typographical Marks in place of the Foot and Inch marks for printing.
Now that many people submit most of their writing for printing digitally, software usually does the replacements but there are some printings that do not do the substitution and you get Measurements marks being used as Typographical marks.
I giggle because imagine people using a zero for a period.
As to layout programs plain text is the common way I use since in layout you are going to determine the presentation of the text anyway…
Actually, Wock, they’re not even that. Foot and inch marks are slightly angled to the upper right. The “straight quotes” we see every day are, technically, minute and second marks - as used in cartography, etc.
But, you know, it would be churlish of me to point that out.
No more like the fact that Hot Dogs come in bundles of [size=150]10[/size] to a pack and Hot Dog Buns come in bundles of either [size=150]8[/size] or [size=150]12[/size].
There is actually a reason for this. The hot dog (or meat by-product sausage for the cultured) are sold as # per LB. The common size is 8:1 or 10:1. Buns are made by weight as well and a typical pound of dough is just right for 10 buns. Those of us “in the biz” can get dogs in all kinds of sizes (snort gets 6:1 and 4:1) and we buy buns by the piece.
BTW the same is true of hamburgers. The standard size for fast food is 10:1 for “normal burgers”, 12:1 for “small” and 4:1 for large. the 2:1 are typically not used by fast food joints.
