Scrivener 3 and Antidote

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So does Druide, the editor of Antidote: https://www.antidote.info/en/antidote-10/documentation/developer-tools - I just downloaded it without needing to ask anybody. It provides C++ examples, usable with the Qt framework to call Windows COM based API.

We will do that again, of course. Let’s hope it works (this is years of waiting for me, too). Nevertheless, maybe what this thread want to say is that perhaps LL can equally find a business interest in providing the users of Scrivener an excellent (albeit a third party) French dictionary and grammar checker by integrating the Antidote API into their product as an alternative to the default French dictionary.

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Miss or Mister Canne, all this is already spoken, but glad you share the same need (en français) !

Antidote will never contact you, you know it Mister kwems !
there business is already done like you have done your’s.

The spelling and grammar correction is AWFULL for selling books and accelarated the time of work !

isn’t the philosophy of scrivener treating about organisation ?

You have forget one thing, the client is the king.
this sentence mean you will have more credibility if you follow the interest of the client.

Many project more versatil than you is trying to defeat you, but what i don’t like is the cloud principale from those project, and you have no cloud so i feel more secure and more confortable.

but when those projects will be more secure even in the cloud, you will loose 75% of your clients.

Now, when you will see all your fan and client will desapear because you are somewhat stubhorn, to make better expectation from others plateform, you will know your suffering.

i am not here to make a fight but like scrapple now in the sea, the future of the release your next scrivener if it do not integrate the connector i will be verry desapointed and not only me.

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This statement is not a universally accepted philosophy, and it is never excuse for bad behavior.

The developer of Scrivener has already stated many times that he is very selective about which additions and improvements he wants to make to his software. At the end of the day, it’s his software and his company and he can run it as he pleases. If he was forced to write software that he didn’t want to use or hated, then pretty quickly none of us would have Scrivener.

Not everyone is trying to be everything to everybody – smaller development shops can’t afford to be. It can often be better to be a great fit for a limited audience than to be a limited fit for a large audience.

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You do remember what happened the last time France had a king, right?

Customers are not kings, and developers are not their subjects. We very much appreciate that so many people find Scrivener useful. But we believe that it is successful precisely because we remain strictly focused on the developer’s vision.

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Alex here from Druide informatique, maker of Antidote.

We’ll gladly get in touch with anyone from Literature and Latte to bring integration to Scrivener Windows (as we’re already compatible with the macOS version)!
New edition of Antidote (11th edition) now offers more flexibility for integration and will ease the work.

Keep in touch!

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Thank you for posting. You can contact the development team directly here:

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Hello,

I read your response to this post with great pleasure. I’d like to know if you’ve finally been able to get in touch with the Scrivener for Windows development team, and if we, the users of this software and Antidote, can hope for an imminent integration?
Thank you very much.

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Surely you mean you’d like to know if Antidote contacted the Scrivener Windows team.

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If you read well, you will see that this is exactly what I said. :wink:

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Sorry, I was reading just fine, but I didn’t notice who you were replying to.

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Hello there, can you make some video explanation to how to integrate the antidote plugin ?

I hope also to have better support for windows 11 pro 21H2

here is the link to contact the development team : windows.support@literatureandlatte.com

Then i will buy antidote 11 upgrade.

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I doubt Druide informatique (Antidote’s developers) could produce such a video, as Antidote still doesn’t connect to Scrivener at the moment.
It is kind of getting ridiculous if you ask me, but there is nothing else for us users to do but wait.
Meanwhile, you have to copy your text in Antidote’s own editor, do your corrections, then paste it back in Scrivener. (Feels like 1986, but it somewhat works.)
In Scrivener : Ctrl+C, then Ctrl+alt+K

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ok. well here,s a controversial opinion… a basic spell checker is fine to catch the odd fingers-moving-faster-than-your-brain moment that occurs to all of us at times, but if the absence of a bells-and-whistles grammar corrector is impeding your ability to work, well then maybe you,re just not ready long-form writing.

i really don,t understand why people think they can take up any profession, especially a highly skilled and competitive one like writing, without the core skills and knowledge to perform even the basic tasks necessary to do the job.

if you can,t drive a car, you can,t be a taxi driver. you shouldn,t complain that tesla hasn,t gotten autopilot good enough yet to let you chase your dream… you should just get out there and take driving lessons. likewise, if you need a grammar checker to be able to write a coherent email, your time would be much better spent invested in learning the language to the appropriate standard.

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I’d totally agree with you (only partially actually, everyone who likes to write should do so, and doing something is the best way to improve at it, isn’t it?) if it wasn’t for the fact that Antidote is much more than a grammar checker.
It is the equivalent (among other things) of all the functions from the writing tools menu that are unusable when writing French.

It is (again, among other things) a dictionary, and it provides synonyms, antonyms, verb conjugations etc.
Just like English speaking people enjoy in Scrivener :
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Plus, for self publishing authors, it somewhat compensates for the absence of an editor (Yes, even the greatest authors of all time had someone else revise their stuff, you know?), in the sense that if (and there pretty much always is) something slipped through the author’s attention, at least there is a chance that Antidote will spot it.

As a bonus, it handles all the specifics of French punctuation that is otherwise a mess to do by hand in Scrivener. (Mostly regarding the non-breaking spaces and stuff…)

All in all I’d say that in the end, it is much more than simply a corrector, but rather (and also) a pretty enjoyable reference tool (to put it that way) during the composition process.
(There is even a nifty little feature for those who like to learn a new word now and then… :slight_smile: )

My two cents.

And yes, it would be really really nice if it could actually connect.

Avis aux intéressés : vous pouvez toujours leur en envoyer la requête… (Plus on est de fous plus on rit.)
C’est ici : Connexion | Espace client (Une fois connecté à votre espace client chez Druide, le lien que je viens de mettre ici vous mènera au soutien technique, et de là, il y a l’option de faire une demande/suggestion. → dernier choix en bas à droite.)

(On pourrait toujours aussi s’organiser une manif, mais par les temps qui courent, ça risque d’être un peu redondant… :stuck_out_tongue: )

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obviously i wasn,t talking about you. you will no doubt be using the program for pure convenience as an alternative to a traditional paperback dictionary much like shakespeare would have done. i,m just talking about all those -other- people who would use the program for it,s primary advertised purpose as a grammar corrector.

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hmmm. that,s not what an editor does.

a writer submitting work that needed that level of proofreading support would never get to an editor. someone who needs that level of support would usually only get a publishing deal by being very famous in another field, and would likely be directed to a suitable ghostwriter rather than an editor.

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Yes, OK maybe ; but you are still referring to people with poor grammar.
Some quite famous authors (one in particular – but I won’t name him\her) has an editor so involved in the process, that this said author doesn’t actually know (by his\her own admission) exactly what part of what he\she wrote and submitted over the years made it to the final published version of his\her novels…

Another argument : should you be 100% right, with the uprise of digital books and the access to self-publishing, we’d be witnessing a massive exodus of known writers cutting off the middleman…

And on another note, the final correction process has been for quite a long time a thing of the printers. Some writers over the decades even having to fight them to have their novel printed as they wrote it.

P.S. As far as I am concerned, if someone enjoys writing, so be it. Not everybody is aiming to become a professional anyways. Plus, by the time that comes a software advanced enough to fix someone who can’t properly organize his\her thoughts, we’ll have A.I. written novels to worry about anyhow.

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Have you ever worked as an editor, Floss?

I have, and I assure you that many many people, including published authors whose names you would recognize, benefit from the assistance of a good editor, whether human or electronic.

It’s also good to remember that Scrivener’s user base includes many people who find themselves creating written material as part of their profession, but who would not describe themselves as “writers” and are well aware of their limitations in that regard.

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Not all editors work for publishing houses. They can also be hired as freelance contractors directly by the author, or an agency might use them to help authors at various stages. “Editing” includes at least three different potential job titles:

Developmental editing: What should be in the book, and what shouldn’t? What’s the outline for non-fiction, or the key plot points for fiction. Does the initial manuscript make sense, or does it have large chunks that need to be added or taken out?

Line editing: Paragraph and sentence structure. Word choice. Overall flow of the text.

Copy editing: Spelling, grammar, punctuation. Citations, in non-fiction. Enforces the “house” style.

The idea that “real” writers don’t need editors is ludicrous.

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hmmm. what you,ve listed here are types of -editing- and not what i,d consider the role of an -editor-, captial e – noting, as you have guessed, that my perspective is skewed by the world of publishing houses / fiction – but if i can be bold… you,re getting into the semantics of the post by trying to dissect the definitions at it,s fringe, rather than looking at the underlying argument. 4/5 hours between your consecutive posts and the tone of the opening of your first post suggest that my post annoyed you and festered, for which i apologise. i was, of course, deliberately provocative…

… but more with the aim of provoking thought and discussion than causing annoyance.

i agree, which is why i didn,t say that. i,d be less employed or employable if that was true.

my view – skewed by the aforementioned perspective – is that people who rely on grammarly, antidote, or other inline sentence correction intervention would be well served by taking the time to improve their mastery of the language. of course, that,s not to say that such tools couldn,t be a great aid to undertake said learning.

i don,t have the data that you do, so don,t doubt it if you say it,s true. i -am- surprised people in such situations would be using scrivener unless they,d been exposed to it through some other interest – so kudos to the marketing team – , and also surprised that their employers would have engaged them to undertake long-form manuscript work if they had that level of skill and craft. again, i think my core advice stands.

writing, whether fiction or non-fiction, poetry or scholarly essay, is greatly benefited by an author,s craft that encompasses not just grammatical rules but artisitic choices on things like cadence, chiasmus, or onomatopoeia, as well as a hyperbolic million other subtle joys that, in my experience, require an author to be absolutely on top of the basics of writing – and grammar and punctuation fall under the basics of writing – in order to have any chance of doing well.