Scrivener with AI

Which tool (if any) would you recommend that integrates with Scrivener?

The only app I use that includes a form of AI is Pro Writing Aid. It uses AI in its grammar suggestions.

BUT - even so, it is still wrong as often as right, so should only be used as suggestions. It still requires one to make authorly decisions.

Personal opinion, using AI to assist in the actual writing is cheating and you can’t claim the work as your own.

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Totally agree. I’ve been seeing many YT videos on how to write a book using AI, and I’m wondering the same thing.

I have the ChatGPT app for Mac. It has extensions, one promises to ā€œWrite full-length, coherent, dynamic fiction novel books.ā€ :face_vomiting:

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Give it some time and readers will be able to distinguish between genuine and AI created work. Recently, I get very detailed emails from book promoters describing (in detail) how good my books is and how they can help promoting. :slight_smile: A dead-giveaway that it was generated using AI. Obviously, they have not read the book.

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I’m far more pessimistic as with regards to people’s critical thinking skills and their ability to discern ā€˜Human’ from ā€˜AI.’ Throw in the whole potentially disastrous use of ā€˜deep-fake’ photos and videos… I personally don’t think text will be any easier.

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People seem depressingly willing to let ā€œAIā€ do their critical thinking for them, with predictably terrible results.

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Oh. I think the results would be just as predictably terrible should they do the thinking themselves. Except that they just wouldn’t do it. (Which would be fine in this case, thank you.)
The decision to use A.I. is, in itself, already poor judgement. How to expect anything else without A.I., from those to whom this applies?

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It’s a crutch. But not one you use whiles healing (or improving). Rather one that you grow dependent on; and that makes you ā€œsickā€; in need of it, … intellectually weak and dysfunctional.

Learning to properly write is also learning to understand. (!) A.I. can’t do anything for anyone as regard to the second part.

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Anyway, to answer your question, the only thing I use is Apple’s Writing Tools. (And then, not very often. It’s nice that it’s there and I’ve dispensed with Grammarly.)

I use Grammarly. I like their new interface where they add a layer on Scrivener.

Except that time spent thinking potentially improves the ability to think.

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I completely agree. (My point, actually.) But they are not doing it. So…?
First occasion they have not to do it, they go for it.
It speaks for itself.
There is no long term objective.

(Just to be clear: I am not putting everyone in the same boat.) But, by definition, the lazy will do everything in his/her power to remain so. And laziness has intellectual consequences. Which in turn have their own consequences.
[I am a pessimist on the topic.]

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I’m becoming even more disenchanted with and wary of LLM-driven AI than I was (as a computing scientist). Used one of them to provide a sentence for my language course homework and the tutor had to fix up a number of errors. Also my attempts to use LLMs to create source code have proven to be error ridden.

In short I do not want (and will not use) any AI tool that might be integrated with SCrivener.

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Speaking for Als everywhere, including those with masters degrees in law, we’re getting tired of this constant negative attitude. Yep-Yep-Yep.

Could it be that we simply expect too much from an AI? Especially when it comes to writing texts? But there are things that AI does really well.

I recently had to use public transport in a city that I didn’t know very well. After all, I knew that I would have to change means of transportation several times and would need several additional tickets besides the basic one.

The AI told me where and when I had to take which means of transportation, which tickets I needed and how much everything cost.

I could have done it all myself, but the AI was much quicker (3 seconds). However, I made the mistake of not checking the AI’s answers. Fortunately, everything was correct. :zany_face:

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Speaking as a human computing scientist I do not trust AIs and will continue to diss them not matter what they produce or their fanboys and girls think. :face_with_monocle:

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Is it unthinkable for you to use AI as in my example?

{gasps audibly}

I recommend Antidote. (It integrates with Scrivener under macOS. Under Windows it is more like a side tool.)

It tells you where there is or might very well be a problem in your writing, and accordingly refers to grammar rules etc., like a teacher would.
I think it is the best.
(It includes a dictionary, verb conjugation tables and all sorts of guides.)

I don’t think they’ve so far integrated A.I. … The day they do, just don’t let it auto-fix your writing for you. [EDIT: I just checked, the latest version integrates A.I.. To which extent, I don’t know.]

… If you are a writer or have such aspirations, do the smart thing and act by the good old ā€œgive a man a fishā€ saying. Learn and learn and learn…

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Side note (to no one in particular):
If you had A.I. write a novel for you, please be so kind as to enjoy it for yourself and not pollute real literature by publishing it.
But for those who do: If you find yourself proud of having done something you didn’t do, go see a doctor. Something is wrong with your head.

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There are two types of ā€œA.I.ā€: One isn’t good enough to improve my writing (I don’t say that to brag, I’m also bad, but not to that extent.) The other one doesn’t exist yet. I don’t want neither one near my writing, my devices or my life. Especially not the second one.

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