Thinnovation... (MacBook Air)

OK, I’ll throw in my two cents, maybe thee.

The Air Book is just about perfect for writing with Scrivener. If it limits my access to the Internet, watching movies, etc. - great, one less distraction.

If the real battery life is only four hours, that’s longer than I’ve ever gotten on my PB 12" (which I too love).

The increased screen real estate would be welcomed when I’m moving items around in the Binder, otherwise full screen is fine on a 12".

Weight is more important than size as I lug the thing around wherever I go.

Price: the educational discount knocks $100 off the price, taking some of the sting off, and we all know someone in school.

My big fear, as I write mostly in cafes, is that people would come up all the time to talk with me about the damn computer, but I could wear a sign on my back that said, “FUCK OFF.”

Now, so I don’t have to wait for the sale of my first book to get one, if anyone hears of an Air Book going as a prize in a sweepstakes or promotion, please post it here first.

The education discount knocks a little bit off the cost, and I can actually get it pre-tax which effectively knocks 30% off the cost for me… but the question is whether saving 1kg is worth another $750.

I mostly want it for use on public transport etc, but that is a big cost difference for a machine that is a little less flexible (I don’t mind not having optical drives etc, but it does reduce usage options a bit), and perhaps slightly less future-proof due to the non-removable battery.

The bit that is really annoying me is the extra money Apple wants to charge to add those things back in - if the USB ethernet drive and the external optical drive etc. came in the one package, but just not built into the original machine, then the cost would be more justifiable, IMO.

Matt

One other question: I was looking at the website, and notice the listed weight difference between the 15-inch MacBook Pro and the 13-inch MacBook is only 180 grams (0.4 pounds).

I would have thought the Pros would be a lot heavier in comparison. Can anyone who owns both, or has carried both around at some point, tell me - is the weight difference that unnoticeable between the two?

Matt

I do not own both, but I do have a MB, and my parents have a 15" MBP. There is not a lot of difference in heft between the two. The MBP is a bit bigger, that is all. If one is going for specs alone, it makes no sense to get a MB on merits of any size advantage. The difference is just too subtle. On the other hand, if you only need a certain amount of power (writing doesn’t take much computing strength), the MB saves a lot of cash and feels a bit more sturdy to me. While the heft is nearly the same, I always feel a bit like the MBP is going to fall apart if I pick it up wrong. Could just be the psychology of price, and the fact that I do not own it, though.

The size comparison that was linked above should have compared the Air with the MB. The footprint is practically identical, and while the width is definitely dramatic at the front, the rear bulge is less than one centimetre in difference, and that is what will matter in a case. I’ve noticed most of their product photography takes advantage of the leading edge and the deep bevels in the back which make it look much thinner than it actually is. Weight is the main factor, but even that isn’t a dramatic change. In short, I don’t see a lot of reason to get the Air over the MB which has better specifications, and is only marginally bigger. The rectangular form is arguably less “awkward” actually. I haven’t held an Air yet, obviously, but I would imagine that it would be easier to support a MB (or MBP) in a case with other books and such, due to its flat surfaces. Unless you carry around socks, one end of the Air is going to be flopping about in the case. Its potential awkwardness reminds me of the old clamshell design iBooks. I do agree with the above posts regarding the 12" models of yesteryear. Both the iBook and the 12" powerbook were amazing machines for their size. In fact the 15" iBook was practically pointless beside the 12" as the specs were about the same, and the screen was just bigger, not of higher resolution.

It is as if Apple took the sub-notebook idea as an abstract concept and then proceeded to get it all wrong from that point on. It is too expensive, too big, and very likely too “fragile.” I don’t know. It’s neat, but in a shrug kind of way. Time Capsule is more interesting to me, though the concept of putting all of your personal data into your wireless router is a bit—insane? I’ll wait and see how that one goes. The convenience of not plugging in a hard drive when you get home (a bit of a conceit, in my opinion) needs to be balanced with top security.

I don’t mean to merge two threads, but I have to agree with the thrust of the argument in the thread regarding Jobs’ remark on the importance of literature. This is the third keynote in a row that has left me feeling kind of down about Apple’s future. Not in the “they are going out a business” way, but that they are drifting into a market that leaves a culturally sour taste in my mouth. If that makes me a snob, so be it.

P.S. Good move putting the back-lit keyboard on the MB design, though. That is a nice touch.

That was my very first thought. Perhaps that’s due to the round edges and the almost oval feel of the device.

The more I think of it, the more I’m afraid we have a “portable PowerMac Cube” here … but it might find enough fans. And I assume it will be the same with every Apple thing: As soon as you see it in person, it all makes sense. :wink:

I don’t think Jobs said literature wasn’t important anymore; I think he said that the Kindle wasn’t important because people don’t read any more.

When he says ‘people don’t read any more’, what he really means is ‘we don’t want people to buy into the Kindle until we figure out our own device that we can charge through the nose for.’

The fact is that the Mac community seems to regard the man as some sort of demi-god; but he’s a marketeer, just like Gates, just like Bezos. And quite frankly, I’ve had just about enough of him.

I agree that the way it sounded was very unfortunate and actually wrong. If folk aren’t reading, then why does J.K. Rowling live in a castle?

As to the future of Apple? Well by the looks of the ‘Flat Cube’ as a friend of mine called it, I’d say we’re in for a short period of over-priced, disposable gadgets; but I don’t believe it will last.

Keith’s praise for the 12" iBook made me realize that I agree: it’s probably my fave Mac, too, even though I had a Pismo (great machine that many consider the best ever Mac laptop, but I never regretted moving from it to an iBook), 12" PowerBook (wonderfully light and solid, but the screen was a bit dim) and now 15" PowerBook (a fabulous desktop replacement), both of which I also cherished. Dunno if it was the plastic vs. metal thing, the color, or what but I agree with Amber that the iBooks, though not as functional as my PowerBooks, just felt sturdier and yet friendlier and more inviting than their sleeker metal cousins. I liked the translucent plastic in the G3s but preferred the keyboard in the G4, although neither comes close to the PowerBook keyboards for responsiveness. I don’t have a MacBook but I’m sad to hear that somehow they lack the iBook mojo. Nevertheless one of them, probably the bottom of the line model, will almost cetainly be my next computer.

I’d like to put in a quick word in defence of the modern MacBook. I got one just a few months ago, but I already love it more than is healthy. I do design work in addition to my writing, for which I need a desktop. But if I didn’t, I’d be using a MacBook as my main computer, without a doubt.

It’s sturdy, has one of the best keyboards I’ve ever used (and much better than the old iBooks), is fast and responsive, and the screen is just the right size - I always felt cramped on a 12" screen, but the 13.3 (with higher resolution than the iBook, which helps) is absolutely fine. I also get 4 hours battery life, even with WiFi permanently switched on.

I don’t travel a huge amount, so the weight isn’t a massive factor, but even so I can comfortably carry it in a shoulder satchel without feeling like I’m lugging bricks.

And yes, it feels very sturdy indeed. I’ll be sad to see the plastic entirely phased out, but it certainly looks like that will happen.

Agreed, I love my MacBook. It’s really just the slight inconvenience of it being a tad too heavy and large. Compared to other laptops, however, it’s amazing. One of the best purchases I ever made.

I do wish the right side of my keyboard worked properly though. The ‘right’ and ‘return’ key only respond if I press them at a specific point. Any ideas on how much it would cost to get it repaired (no AppleCare for me…)?

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Great post.

Replacing the keyboard is expensive, but there are many online clinics that offer tips on self-repair. Check out the most promising of these:

google.com/search?hl=en&safe … tnG=Search

Those Engadget pictures have really put the nail in the coffin for me. The first one shows that the footprint of the MB Air is not significantly smaller than the MB Pro 15"; the side shot shows that, yes, it’s thin - but look at all the great connectivity on the MacBook Pro! Also, I don’t really like the black keyboard… The silver and black makes me think of a PC laptop, somehow.

I’m really not too bothered about having anything thinner. The MB Pro is pretty thin - just thick enough for all the ports and a DVD drive, and no thicker than in needs to be.

I’m very happy with my MacBook Pro. And to be honest, I would have fallen in love my white MacBook, and maybe I would have liked it as much as my iBook, had it not been for the number of defects I was unlucky enough to have with mine. So, yeah, I kind of think the Air misses the mark, as Amber says.

Best,
Keith

Hi,

I would like to hear more about battery life. My iBook 12" (nearly 4 years old, almost never out of work) still has between 3 and 4 hours of battery life. Now I heard from many sides that MB and MBP only offer 2 hours or slightly more despite the claims of 6 hours.

Many on this site use MBs etc. so I would like to hear your experience. I hesitate to say good bye to my iBook if battery life of a new MB is so short.

Thanks,
Maria

Actually, in my experience battery power seems about the same to me. Perhaps a bit less on the MacBook, but definitely more than the two hours you heard reported (with the MBP though, definitely). I would guess 3 or 4 hours. Granted, I run the screen at the dimmest setting, never use the optical drive, and have wi-fi off.

I have a first generation 17" MBP. I can use it for presentations nearly all morning, i.e. it’s close on 4 hours running, without special low battery settings and without remembering to turn airport and bluetooth off. I’m not using the DVD drive at the time, though. If the battery dies, it’s about 5 minutes before the end of the morning.

I regularly run my battery right down to 0 and then recharge it to 100% in one go; when I use it on the battery, I always use it to exhaustion before recharging fully; if for some reason, like suddenly having to leave because of an interruption, the battery gets only partially charged, I then run the MBP off the battery until it goes to sleep at 0 and then do a full recharge again.

Bought in September 06.

Mark

As slick looking as the Air is, perhpaps a more apropos title is MacBookLite.

Amber, Mark,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. That makes it easier to say Good-bye to my 12" companion in the next weeks.

Maria

Yeah, the 4-hour usage I get is with relatively light CPU usage, I admit (ie mainly just using Scriv, email, web browsing) - but I have WiFi turned on all the time, my screen is at about half max brightness, and I often have iTunes running too.

I’m very happy with the battery life on my MB - especially compared to my fiancée’s Toshiba PC, which gets one hour or less from a full charge!

May be I am just lucky or I don’t “remember” correctly (still waiting to get my MBP17 back), but with 2 VM, one winblows and one linux ,I get 5-6 hours on a battery. No cd/dvd or usb during that time. i was thrilled as my dell d620 only get 2 hours on its battery and all it does in winblows.