Using Apple Pencil in Scrivener Ipad

I cannot use Apple pencil on my iPad unless scribble is enabled. But when I use the pencil, the keyboard keeps popping up. Is there any way we can disable the keyboard completely, albiet temporarily, while I am using the pencil?

Also, I will be using Tenglish (which is a mix of Telugu - my local language and English). If I use Scribble, it keeps correcting it. I cannot do anything in the settings as there are no options for something such as this in the settings. I think that an app developed for iPad should support Apple Pencil.

Well, I sympathize surely, but I think these are likely to be Apple’s problems, rather than Scrivners…and that most of what you’d like is probably beyond the abiiies of the ‘magic’ they’ve so recently been able to present for us to use.

An exception might be the keyboard issue. The keyboard will want to appear afirst when your cursor positioned is in an editable text area, yes. But:

  • I note that as soon as you start actually writing with Scribble, the keyboarddisappears, at least on the latest iPadOS 16.3, reommendable).

  • What can make this much more palatable is to have the keyboard much smaller., and able to be moved out of the way. Did you know you can do this, simply by pinching it horizontally? This will ‘stick’ until you choose to make it large again, by ‘unpinching’ the small one…

  • …which i think is the iPhone version, and can do ‘tracing’ to write as well as type, if you turn that on in iPad Settings. Trace-wriitng is very nice, and you can do that with the pencil as well as ffingers.

Two languages at once; well, that would be very nice, but would involve at least some rather special training for the recognizer, and quite possibly not within the capabilities at present of that training, the gathering of enough example wiriting, or the iPad processor.

  • but when I went to look for any hints on the technical side, I ran across this rather basic app, which allows writing in some form of Tengllish anyeay, and produces Telugu, if that could be what you could like. It’s here: ‎Telugu Writer on the App Store

I had started to have a few other ideas, beginning wiith remembering when my Korean was fresher, back from a time of life there.

  • in that case, I would write on two sides of an open notebook, back of one page and front of the other; any useful thoughs from the meeting on the right in English, and a lot else I was thinking as it happened, on the left in Korean.

  • You can’t run two Scriveners in the now very convenient Split Window apps mode (touch center of your screen at the top to choose it), nor could you set language separately, but you can run another app with Scrivener that way. And it doesn’t need to be half-half, as you can touch and hold, then move the divider to get 3/4-1/4. Which might work quite handily if you put the Telugu converter on the small pane?

  • This gave me hopes to use a nice note-taker that can translate handwriting like Notabiliity on the right, using that to capture what you don’t prefer in English, drag the results over. Fine to a point, it works, I can do French, German, Korean…but not Telugu, on Goodnotes either.

  • That turns out to be because Apple Scribble actually doesn’t understand Telugu or any Indic languages. yet: iOS and iPadOS - Feature Availability - Apple.

  • And this lead back to my initial thoguht above about how far technology reaches. The subcontinent is a big market, though, and this may be likely to change in future; your local tech news would be best to find out. I wouldn’t hold my breath for Tenglish, unless it is so prevalent or appealing to young developers that they ‘see’ it, and can find the material for the training. This would be possible, Tenglish alone, because it wouldn’t require two languages.

I still like the idea of using the side-by-side app, and it does a marvelous job I just tested out, from Notability using some definitely scribbly Korean! I’ll put the noes here, tut these won’t help you I think

  • Dragging the selected converted text to Scrivener was just that easy, Korean characters and all, and even with the line breaks appearing in the outline I dragged it into.

  • but this won’t help you, until Scribble understands Telegu. So I tried a number of extra-credit things, and found just one that might work for you.

To do this last way, you want the Split Window enabled, with Scrivener on one side and tthis time, ,Apple Notes, on the other.

  • before you start this, go to Settings:Keyboards, and add a Telugu keyboard, if you haven’t already done that.

  • now, with your mini-keyboard as above, touching the globe key will switch between language keyboards that you have – including this Telugu one, so select it. The Space key will tell you which one you’re on , but you’'ll also see the letters.

  • type out something in Telugu, not your Tenglish. Swipe or glide typing isn’t available on the Telugu, keyboard from Apple at this time, or it may be, ever, because it looks like you need multiple keystrokes for some letters or lexemes. So just use the mini-keyboard as you would on your phone.

  • for some reason, drag-drop isn’t successful at bringing over selected Telugu.

  • but simple copy-paste works fine. So select your Telugu, tap Copy, go to the Scrivener window, and paste it where you have the cursor.

  • now you can mix the two languages, so long as you don’t use spell checking,

  • Spell-checking would again need quite a sophistication to handle mixed languages, though not as challenging as Scribble-wriitng!

Ok, I’ve had enough. See if this helps, and something works for you…cheers


Thanks for taking the time to respond in such a detailed manner. However, the following is what I actually want.
I do not want Tenglish to be converted to Telugu (or any other language for that matter). I want my handwriting to stay as my handwriting. However, in scrivener, I cannot write unless I enable Scribble in the global settings.
However, once I enable scribble in global settings, in all other writing apps (I have notability, notes, Goodnotes, Nebo notes, and a few others) my writing is automatically converted to typing and also autocorrected, which I do not want. To avoid that, I would have to disable scribble again or disable autocorrect and other global settings related to it. That creates a new set of problems.
The problem arises, I think, because Scrivener does not natively support Apple Pencil. Is that the case?

Why not use GoodNotes’s conversion features to convert text for use in Scrivener? That’s what I would do.

(No, iOS Scrivener does not natively support Apple Pencil.)

Well, here is one of the cores of the problem. I’m glad you have and understand those applications, and for them, you say you don’t want what they do. Somehow Scrivener is to do better??

A deeper core is that Scribble does not understand either Telagu or Tenglish. Thus it very clearly in practice will not let you be successful with either.

It iis not a fault of Scrivener ‘not natively supporting’ Scribble, I think rather surely… In fact, it supports it just fine – as soon as Scribble was added to the iPadOS, about version 14 I think.

There is probably a deeper version of Scribble, not necessarily public so that it could be supported, which you’ll find if you experiment with Apple Notes, as I did among the many this afternoon. This is very unsatisfying, because in this case it tries to be far too smart.

Apple Notes/Scribble will consistently correct words it doesn’t know for the assigned language into breakdowns of syllables at first, and if you pursue the word, it will make a final decision after a few tries, and then always present its opinion of what the word should be – very wrongly compared to the letters it earlier knew you wrote (the syllables).

This is neural network behavior gone too far, of course, but there is notthing better it can do without Apple having invested in training for Telugu, or in your specific case, Tenglish. Which as a crossbreed, I suspect is rather irregular, and also probably has variants for the same Telugu words, both of which would make the training (and the network cabability) demands much higher. But we don’t get to this point without the investment, which perhaps in time Apple India will make. and then see if the tech in devices can handle it.

These are deep waters, young person, and not susceptible to the idea or the complaint that someone didn’t do something they ‘could’ – they would even have to discover any degree of ‘could’'.

The soundness of underlyingg design and implementation on either side is shown that Scribble just 'plugs in ’ to a much older software app; and that Apple is in fact able to have so many apps just use it, if they implemented the text interfaces properly. My flawless test resi;ts with Korean orthograpy kind of makes the point, I think.

Which brings us back to understanding that Scribble itself is the problem. No app is going to let you do Tenglish, until or unless Apple does the work to understand that writing vocabulary. It’s quite possible that spell check is part of teh picture of driving the ‘intelligence’ also – such systems are by nature often hybrid like this, gainiing effect by communicating, so that would need a new vocaulary also, if this is far easier than the neural training.

You would benefit just from knowing how many years Apple tried before having successful handwriting at all – beginning with the Newton, which I can tell you was almost unusable actually. And in fact, the recent ability has been silently improving by leaps and bounds, as I find it understands my own handwriting far better now, actually at a very useful level, which it was not a year or so ago.

Be grateful, no?

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great idea, except Tenglish that she wants isn’t a possibility in any of those apps – and they don’t respond well to what they consider to be nonsense words :slight_smile:

just a p.s. here, as the pattern forming up in imagination for the Scribble arrangements would very likely have enough knowledge on the neural side to handle the letters and letter interactions of Tenglish; thus the vocabulary need would be on the dictionary side.

If or to degree that’s true, it could be even as simple as providing a Tenglish dictionary at Apple, to get the multiple/half-known dialects younger persons like to sprinkle with to work, so that they don’t have to know how to write in the altenrate language.

Presenting it so, as an atttraction to young buyers, might help in convincing business-responsible to fund it, given I am sufficently correct about imagining this as a vocabbulary, rather than a reccognition problem. Which is mostly why I mention it.

Once again, the answer would be with Scribble, and as it already does very well, Scrivener would just use it.

And your preference for Tenglish could be part of an effective and desirable answer…funny how such thingns and attention to the m can work…

Sorry, I hadn’t read the thread carefully. I’ll hush now. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

no problem – I enjoy it :slight_smile: You take care, Katherine, who so often has just the right brief answer!

Sorry for the delay in the response. I am not sure if I had been clear before. In case I was not, I would like to reiterate.
If I want to handwrite, I have to enable scribble. Enabling scribble would enable handwriting recognition and conversion to typed notes. Handwriting recognition does not work because I am not using English. I have no problem with that as I cannot expect any software developer to cater to all the hundreds of languages. I do not want handwriting recognition. I only want handwriting to be enabled which is not possible without enabling scribble. I just want my handwriting to stay as handwriting (since my language is not supported by Apple).

Does Scrivener support writing with apple pencil without enabling scribble as enabling scribble is a problem for me. Scribble cannot be enabled/disabled for scrivener alone. I think it has to be done globally. There are several apps that support handwritten notes without conversion to typed (without handwriting recognition). I do not want Scrivener to do better, I want Scrivener to do nothing. Just accept the Apple Pencil input as-is.

Is that a possibility for Scrivener in the near term or long-term. Without that, the iPad version is useless for me.

Hope I am clear.

At the moment, Scrivener’s Editor can only accept text input, not freeform drawing. (Which is what handwriting without recognition essentially is.) Since we do see ourselves as a writing application, I wouldn’t expect that to change.

So, an iPad app that does not accept Apple Pencil input, and charging a premium? Who would have thunk that was even a possibility. I guess that is why there is no trial for this software. Smart move.

There is no trial due to Apple policies that prevent us from offering one.

iOS Scrivener predates the existence of the Apple Pencil by quite a few years.

And I’m still confused about what you actually want. If you don’t want the software (any software) to recognize your handwriting, then you are capturing an image. What happens next? The note stays in handwritten form indefinitely? The note is converted to text via some third-party tool that does understand your language? And what is Scrivener’s potential role in all this?

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I do my research, generate characters, place setting, historical stuff, and other stuff in English. This is where Scrivener is useful. I am most comfortable in English but my job requires me to write in Telugu, which I can’t. So as an alternative, I write in Tenglish. Once complete, I will hand it over to someone to be converted manually into Telugu.

There are several notetaking apps that DO NOT convert handwriting to type. Doesn’t matter what you call that.

Due to the current limitations, I might have to use Scrivener for the other stuff that I mentioned and use some note taking app to write the actual story.

Sure, and I’m sure one of those would be very helpful in your work. But Scrivener is fundamentally an application for manipulating text.

Unfortunately, I have come to the same conclusion. If only I had known that before shelling out the money for this app! Lesson learnt. Never buy without a trial, avoid apps that do not have a trial like plague. Sorry, If I had come out strong, which is not my intention. However, I am not happy with L&L in this instance, not with you personally.

I’m sorry to hear that you’re unhappy. Note that Apple does offer a fairly generous return policy for App Store purchases, probably for exactly this reason.

I’m afraid you would need to contact Apple, though. They don’t share customer data with us, so we have no ability to refund App Store purchases.

@Beautyspin It’s very late here, if maybe good on your time zone, so no demo with this, but it seemed to me there was a very good answer for your wishes, which I’ve tried.

  • what youcan do, is use Scrivener, along with say Notabilty, and the free version would be fine.

  • open the two of them. If it works for you, the best for me was to open them in the side-by-side. It’s very easy these days, once you get the idea of it… And then you have a pad you can handwrite on, use different languases and forms (as Korean I tried out), and just put down the short notes you want – or longer, as that’s something Notability is also built to do.

  • then, I’m presuming you want Scrivener for its abilties to order, reorder, etc. with your notes. So for each note, or portion if it’s longer, open a blank page in Scrivener.

  • tap the lasso rather than the writing pen at the top of the screen in Notability, and draw a shape around your handwritten note that you can see.

  • Then, fingers work best here here, touch and hold the enclosed area., maybe with a slight pause so it’s noticed, and in one motion drag over to the Scrivener note.

  • now you have your graphic wrting in Scrivener, as it will make a picture. I think that’s what you’ve been after, or realized you were after, and it is as easy as that.

  • when it’s appropriate, you can copy over longer notes by scrolling down both sides and repeating – more than one graphic will fit in a Scrivener page (document). You can also use copy-paste to bring the graphic area over, when that appeals.

  • the documents now having images let you move around for orders, organize in folders, all the Scrivener abilities, now with your handwritten notes. You could work out ways to annotate, in the document, or with a paired one.

  • If it gets complicated, or just to make references to the grapic notes or vice versa, Scrivener links may be your friend.

  • it probably will take a little practice to become adept with this, but it’s easy enough once you do.

  • when you’re ready to have better pen-writing experience, notice that Notabilty has a variety of tunings you can make on the pen – larger/smaller, but also choice of strokes, thin/thick according to Apple Pencil pressure, and so forth, which makes writng more natural and satisfying.

  • One more nice thing is that the side-by-side will ‘stick’ between sessions, so that you don’t have to arrange that every time. You can get out of that memory by telling one window to take full screen, or closing the other.

  • It’s all about those three dots at the top of each screen, which is how you begin the side-by-side also – just run one app, tap the dots and Split View, then open the other app. Once both are there, if you want to switch sides, now the three dots will give you that choice also.

Ok. Ok?

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Thank you. I guess I have to do something like this. Will definitely get back if I find a methodology that suits me in case that is different from what you have suggested.

Sure. Thanks for your help.