I don’t really care about the delay. I mean, obviously I want scrivener 3, but I’m used to waiting for things. I think most authors are. The problem for me is being promised dates that doesn’t hold up, and then not being updated on the blog. I’m not really a forum user, so I check the blog for updates, and there are almost never any. And when I go check the forum, I’m pretty shocked at some of the really snarky, bordering on rude replies given by the scrivener people to people that complain. I get it, complaining isn’t fun, but in this case you kind of deserve it and should take it with grace rather than with attitude. Not that anyone cares what anyone else on the forums says, lol
We published a post on this shortly after the missed target, in fact, maybe it was missed.
As it says there, we aren’t estimating out loud any more. As you say it’s just a source of frustration, so we’d rather just buckle down and get it done. Keith also specifically responded to this identical complaint that you lodged, here.
As to the rest, it might be best to take that to our feedback channel, if you have a complaint with any of us. Normally I’d not have a problem with it, but inside of a thread that is a dry tinder like this, where I’ve had to repeatedly ask people to lay off of the flame prose, it is not bound to be very productive.
Also please be aware that only of the few people posting in this thread (or elsewhere) are L&L employees. Other forum users speak only for themselves.
Katherine
Or our cats.
Would a cat really let anyone speak for it? wouldn’t it be
I know it’s a bit of a semantic but i don’t need any cats hunting us down.
Now dogs… you can speak for dogs any time. And they are grateful when you do. Gives them more time to roll in crap. Litteral crap. Because … dogs. They roll in crap.
Significant is the lower right corner, which clearly depicts a sheet of toilet paper, which is no doubt part of an entire roll that has be strewn across the entire house.
It is nowhere near that cut and dry. L&L has twice as many developers devoted to Windows as they have to Mac. In fact, they have one developer for Mac and iOS and two for nothing but Windows.
It is not about Windows being a second class citizen. It has to do with what the environments provide for the developer to build on.
MacOS and iOS build on the magnificent groundwork by NeXT, which they bought from Steve Jobs. The current iteration of this is Cocoa, which is a set of functionality for office and collaborative applications which NeXT started developing in the 80’s, and which is still being actively added to today. It is an IMMENSELY rich set of functionality that any MacOS or iOS developer has instant access to, as soon as they get Xcode and a license and start working with it.
Windows, in contrast, has a very weak set of functionality for developing office like applications. For good reason; their two main products have for decades been Windows and Office, and they do not want to make it easy to make competing applications.
Therefore, with comparatively little work you can build a very good office type application, like, say, an outliner, in MacOS or iOS. Then you can put your effort into the added functionality, and you will have a very good application pretty quickly. That is not the case with Windows, where you will spend most of your time developing basic functionality which is already present in the OS libraries in MacOS/iOS.
On top of this the Windows team has the difficulty of matching the way the Windows version works with the already developed version for MacOS. That is not an easy task at the best of times, and it gets harder since there is a lack of good, ready made functionality which is close to what Cocoa provides.
And their actions are; TWICE as many developers for Windows, the 1.x Windows version is at MacOS 2.x version feature parity (almost) and they provide the upgrade for free for anyone who bought the Windows version since quite some time.
This tells me they take Windows VERY seriously.
Good catch, sir. I humbly accept your correction.
Sigh…
No criticisms here. Just a boring agreement…the whole beta wait-and-see-whenever process doesn’t bother me in the least because it is a mirror-image of my own writing process. I can’t publish anything until it’s perfect. And I mean ten thousand reviews perfect. And I do mean can’t publish. I just…simply…can’t give you something I’m not proud of and that I know is the best that I can make it be.
So the only writing of mine whatsoever that has made it out into the public are lesson and lecture notes…simply and only because of deadlines. The rare times I’ve written something that felt publish-worthy, upon another read simply turned into the notes for a new, better version. Heck, I revised this post before posting it more times than I’m comfortable sharing! (And I’m sure there are still grammatical errors, but…)
For you who don’t have a day job and so must rely on your writing for income, I grieve for you if you have the obsessive-compulsive tendencies that I have. For the rest of the writing, um, hobbyists?..on here like me…that old wheel will roll around again. I will say that, since I don’t rely on my writing for income I can enjoy it for the pure catharsis that it is.
As for now, L&L I appreciate your work very much and I sympathize completely with your wanting to release nothing less than the best. Here’s hoping you do much better than I.
I wanted to ask: Once scr for Win 3 is out of beta and released to the masses – will ver. 1.9.x continue to be supported by L & L? I may or may not buy ver. 3. Ver. 1.9.x meets my writing needs, so I may just skip ver. 3.x for now. Will I still get any updates for 1.9.x or will it simply fade away as ver. 3.x gains traction?
We will be supporting older versions for as long as people use them. We still support version 1.x for Mac, for all of the four or five people still using it. 
It’s not only a matter of choice, but some people cannot use the newer versions as their systems are too old.
But I presume that v. 1.9.x will no longer be updated once v. 3 is publicly released? Unless there are (shudder) licensing service issues that need addressing?
Yes, as is typical, only dire and necessary fixes will be made to any legacy versions of software.
Good to know that. Thanks!
I’m waiting for 3 to be released but have a real problem with waiting for “the best”. That will never happen and never has. Every piece of software I have ever used has always been improved over time, upgraded, updated. Never have I seen any software that has never been improved.
You’re being a bit more literal about my comment than you should be. Of course I know Scrivener 3 won’t be perfect. It’s a manufactured product, but it should have been easily understood that I was only offering my support to the hard working development staff. They do deserve that support. My, “the best”, was a normal social generality that shows good will and faith in their judgement, but I understand that you’re frustrated for whatever reason (even though Scrivener in it’s current form is still better than anything else I’ve used).
Please, never wish anyone you know, “all the best”, or risk being called out for false hope.
I can’t speak for them of course, but I detected no frustration in their message—simply a desire to make sure a “perfection loop” wasn’t what development was stagnating into. If so, I can assure them this is not the case—one must be at a point where all of the screws are in the desk first, let alone final sanding and planing to make sure it doesn’t wobble on the floor, before you can be at risk of applying too many coats of polish!
And thanks for your kind words and support!
You are very welcome for the support, sincerely, and I won’t belabor the frustrated-sounding “real problem with”. That was my interpretation as the comment recipient, but your judgment as moderator stands. Everyone, have a very nice day.
Any new news? Heard they said they were shooting for a release before the end of February. And before anyone jumps my throat and leaves me dead in an alleyway, I know it was not a promise, or anything official. Just curious if someone knows something I don’t.
Please don’t hurt me.