Extra hidden paragraph breaks created when pasting

There is a problem when I paste text from Word, matching formatting, into Scrivener.

Everything looked fine in the editor, but when I compiled it inserted # marks between each paragraph:

Returning to Scrivener, I compared a snapshot of the file as composed in Scrivener with the the latest version copied in from Word. The snapshot preview reveals extra paragraph breaks that aren’t there in the editor, which account for the extra #. Replace a paragraph break with a seemingly identical one in the editor and the problem goes away:

The programme versions I am using are:
macOS Catalina (10.15.6)
Scrivener (3.1.5)
Microsoft Word for Mac (16.39)

Thank you for looking at this issue.

Paul

From your description, it’s not entirely clear when the extra paragraph breaks are appearing.

You can show invisible characters (paragraph breaks) in both Word and Scrivener to see if they are (a) in the text as originally created in Word, (b) in the text as originally pasted into Scrivener, or © in the text as compiled back to Word format.

Katherine

If, during compile, the hash (#) symbol appeared in place of previously blank lines, this post should help:

https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/how-do-i-remove-hashtag-for-every-paragraph-break/39897/2

I have turned invisible characters on. The extra paragraph breaks:
a) do not appear in the original text in Word
b) do not appear in the editor when pasted into Scrivener (see screenshot above)
c) are reflected in the text compile back to Word by being transformed into # marks, which I believe is normal behaviour for a double paragraph break

The only place that the extra paragraph marks are visible is when you compare the current text to a snapshot of a version that hasn’t been pasted in (I have been pasting in new versions of scenes from Word after editing, so I have a earlier non-pasted snapshot to compare). You can see this in the inspector pane of the screenshot. Without that view all I’d be able to see (even with invisibles turned on) is the effect when compiling but not the cause. It is most perplexing.

If the snapshot is the original text that was compiled, the blank lines will have been replaced by hash symbols during compile (in many compile defaults).

I understand that. The problem is not the hashes - they are just a symptom. The problem is the invisible extra paragraph breaks that cannot be seen in the Editor window, but which show up in the snapshot comparison and affect the compile output.

Would it be possible to share a sample project showing that?

Here is a sample project and the two compiled outputs from the workflow.
Test.zip (138 KB)

Ahhhh. Doesn’t help you, but for me that compiles without any hashes appearing in the compiled file. Stumped. Hope Katherine can work out what is happening. Sorry.

Do you have enhanced converters checked in your Scrivener -> Preferences -> Sharing -> Conversion pane? If so, uncheck it. Does that help?

Katherine

It doesn’t seem to make any difference.

The extra paragraph breaks are only appearing in the comparison pane (and effecting the compile) if I match style when pasting into Scrivener. If I paste as is, it doesn’t happen (even if I convert to default formatting afterwards). Also, if I duplicate the scene, the copy doesn’t have the problem, but the original still does. It is really puzzling.