Has Windows Version 3 Been Scrapped?

If I was the owner-manager-coder, I wouldn’t fire myself. :smiley:

No. Hiring a manager costs money that you have to pay. The delay causes a reduction in income. Those two are not equal, not even in accounting.

One of the reasons we have insolvency laws and the idea of individual bankruptcy (ie the ability to walk away from financial responsibility without criminal penalty) is because we’ve long since accepted the idea that projects / initiatives underperform for a whole lot of reasons other than mismanagement.

Such ideas are pretty much obsolete in almost all countries. I think we woke up to that idea in the 1860s in the UK. Or roughly the same time the US abolished slavery, if you want some context for how behind the times that thinking is.

Question: Has Windows Version 3 Been Scrapped?

Asked and answered: No.

Nothing to see here. Move along now.

You have to pay “x” developers por “y” months to get the product. Delaying will maye “y” greater, and so, the total will be greater too.
x*y=z, where z grows proportionally to “y”

Now. Hiring a capable manager adds to “x” yes. BUT reduces “y”, and since “y” is multiplying, in the end; z will be smaller.

And this is not even necessarily a true statement. Only L&L knows what sales of the current Windows release are like, but I’m assuming it’s still generating revenue because it’s a perfectly functional program as it is.

Again, we don’t comment on personnel matters. Therefore, there simply isn’t enough public information to support any claims regarding the impact of personnel changes on y. Changing the team might reduce y, but might also increase it.

Katherine

You’re asking that after reading the post it was published in?

Stoltverd, if you’re wondering why no one seems to agree with you here, the answer is lurking in two expressions in this post: “probably” and “what I see.” The thing is, none of us users actually sees the day-to-day operations at L&L at all, so “what we see” is not enough information to justify even a “probable” opinion.

What is obsolete about Stoltverd’s thinking here? People get fired and laid off every time for underperforming in modern days too. And a funny thing is that your statement about insolvency laws doesn’t even invalidate Stoltverd’s argument. You are only conflating underperforming employees and business entities that eventually go bankrupt.

Frankly, I can’t see that any of that matters (who’s to blame, what the bottom line is, etc.). As a customer (v1) and a potential customer (v3), I really don’t care about any of that. I am (unfortunately?) not friends with the developers (i.e. I don’t know any of them personally). All I care about is the tool because, frankly, I can use it to accomplish my own personal goals. I would like to have a non-beta version of v3 for that, sure. But it’s not available in non-beta form at this time. Why it’s taken so long? Not my concern, to be frank. As a customer, though, I am concerned about how long it’s taking and how many missed “deadlines” there have been over the past years. Again, it’s not my concern about how difficult the development is or isn’t. But the delays, coupled with the attitude of some members of the forum, cause me to want to look elsewhere (whether that’s rational or not, is another discussion). Both are just bad advertising for anyone coming here to find out information on the progress of v3, imo.

Did you create a user in here only to post that? :open_mouth:

It’s amazing that this thread has grown the way it has, when the answer to the title question is a simple two-letter word:
No

The idea that a project’s failure to meet targets must be the result of the level of negligence or incompetence that warrants termination. Sometimes it is, of course, but saying that it must in all circumstances result in this level of sanction is deliberately antgonsitic and fallacious.

Looks like it.

I’d have locked it a long long time ago.

There, “antagonistic and fallacious.” That is actually what you did to that poster.

Also, continue reading what I have to say below, if you please.

Hmm? You are so surprised to learn the fact that people have to make accounts to post their first comment or thread? :unamused: FYI, everyone starts with zero and I see quite some newcomers just like myself in this very thread. Frankly, it is in fact shocking that you felt a strong urge to leave a pointless reply to me with a rather toxic intention. No offense, but your 4k posts are quite telling and I can only imagine how productive your life is. :open_mouth: I am also amazed at your lack of general empathy and a basic understanding of the social phenomenon of people venting out their frustration. You are amazed? Really? It is nothing new, mate.

Also, your statement about giving a simple answer “NO” is irrelevant for the reasons I mentioned above; people simply want to vent out for the sake of venting out. And just FYI, my very first post wasn’t even about the product itself. Personally, I could care less about Scriv3 for Wins as I already use other programs sufficiently. I only have been coming here one or two times a month to see what’s going on ever since I purchased the product several months ago.

But you know what? I wouldn’t have bothered to register today if it wasn’t that pigfender’s response to Stoltverd, particularly. In a feeble attempt to defend the product and the company, he/she committed strawman fallacy without realization and shamelessly applied mental gymnastics to invalidate generally true statements that anyone with common sense wouldn’t dare to disapprove. It was so laughable so I couldn’t help but to point out such silliness. In addition to that, whenever a complaint is made by someone in this thread, three or four fans showing up to defend the product dogmatically was another motivation for me to partake in the discussions. You guys surely know how to make things worse. /facepalm

And as a friendly note for you and other zealous fans here, realize that you are only making things worse by dismissing complainers with your sarcastic attitudes unless your true intention is indeed to annoy them for the sake of inflaming and dividing the community. Understand what is good for the community you “love” and realize what you are doing. Also, if you have nothing worthwhile to say, just don’t say it. That way you won’t make yourself look sillier.

As a matter of fact, I don’t mind waiting for Scriv3 so feel free to take as long as you need, LnL devs. Probably I won’t be coming back here to make replies because I have busy, precious life and I have no interest in wasting my time further posting forum posts all day. :smiley:

Good luck to the L&L devs and some other well-meaning forum goers.

Thank you for your feedback. Lots for me to reflect on there.

I’m not trying to have a “productive” life. Two kids are enough for me. :slight_smile:

And about “the social phenomenon of people venting out their frustration” the key question is - frustration about what? People who have bought the fully functional Win version 1.9 are frustrated about not getting an updated, better version for free soon enough? I don’t see the logic in this. It’s not like they invested all their savings with a promise to gold and riches in the future and got nothing.

L&L could easily have said nothing, just kept selling version 1.9 and then one day - BANG! - release version 3 and say “You’re free to buy our updated version now - and bad luck to all those of you who just bought 1.9 but this is a paid upgrade so you’ll have to buy once more”. So no, I don’t understand the frustration people vent. Like you they should go on with their lives and be productive using version 1.9 or some other app. I wouldn’t have upgraded to version 3 myself unless Apple had decided to scrapp all 32 bit apps. Now, that’s something to be frustrated about! I lost several fully functional apps when I upgraded to Catalina. Including ’Worms: Armageddon’! :cry:

PS. The meaning of life is not to be productive, but to enjoy living. If you want to know what I usually post about, feel free to check my posts. But be warned, it means you’ll have to visit the Mac part of the forum as well :astonished:

I am going to propose a new subforum of the Scrivener for Windows forum: Venti, for just, you know, venting. No need for anyone to be annoyed by anything posted there. No need for anything posted there to make sense. Just folks venting. And then there could be two more sub-subforums: Venti Grande, for people venting largely and/or grandly; and Venti Trenta, for people venting trenchantly.

Note: Please do not hate on me if you (a) love Starbucks, (b) actually speak Italian, or (c) both. I already know it doesn’t make sense.

I am not convinced that people in group (c) exist. Happy to be proven wrong, though.

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pigfender, I wondered about that too. I wanted you to be right. Alas, Devin the Voice of Reality strikes again.