What templates do you want in Scrivener 2.0?

Thanks Keith!

I found it and it looks like it will meet my needs.

Regards,
Bryan

Gah, sorry, it wasn’t on your list, I should have checked! ::slight_smile:

I’d like very much a ToDo list with dynamic hierarchical structure, please see details below.

  1. Example: “character 1” and below “USA” and below “California” and so forth.

  2. Every item of the ToDo list would be a link to a Scrivener folder or a Scrivener text.

  3. Possibility of displaying a checkbox for every item or some kind of notice that “task” has been completed or not.

  4. Possibility of MOVING the items in the list dragging them with the mouse.

Suggestion: please see TaskPaper application by Hogbay Software. The IDEAL (but just a dream, sorry) would be to implement TaskPaper into Scrivener. Well, you get the idea…

Hi tyuk,

I think that falls outside the remit of a template, sorry. :slight_smile:

Best,
Keith

Hi Keith,

Yes indeed. I was just trying to make some suggestions for… Scrivener 3.

Thanks for replying anyway.
Best.

Anael made an interesting cookbook template for 1.x (here https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/template-library/1881/36 and his detailed blog post about it here scriptapart.wordpress.com/2010/0 … cipe-book/) which I found really great to get some ideas going for one of my own. It’s a bit outside the realm of traditional Scriv uses, but I find it a really great idea, and especially with the easy sync options coming with 2.0, I can see Scrivener being an excellent way to keep a big “recipe binder” and then sync recipes to the iPad or iPod for use in the kitchen.

If it’s at all something you’d consider, I’d be happy to fix up and email you the template I’ve got going, based on Anael’s. Mostly it’s about starting out with the categories and template sheets in the binder, a rating system, some reference material like conversion charts and substitution lists for baking. (Heh, you could always send it out with your favorite writer-snack recipe, too…)

MM

MM, that would be great, thank you. I was thinking about something like a recipe book for the “Miscellaneous” category of the templates, so this would be ideal.

Thanks again,
Keith

Scrivener isn’t meant as a recipe keeper; it’s meant to be a writer’s toolbox.

That being said, sifting through the new-books announcements in Publisher’s Weekly, and through Books in Print, and strolling through pretty much any bookstore, anywhere, will show you about as many new cookbooks being published each year as novels. When you look at booksales histories, I’m willing to bet the average cookbook writer earns more per year than the average novelist–and I’ll guarantee more writers are earning a significant portion of their livings from writing cookbooks than poetry

The cookbook template should be a worthwhile and interesting addition to the writer’s toolbox mix–even if we don’t all write cookbooks, we all probably, at some point, cook.

If Bill Shake Spear was around now rather than then, he`d be using it for this recipe:

In the poison’d entrails throw.—
Toad, that under cold stone,
Days and nights has thirty-one;
Swelter’d venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i’ the charmed pot!
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
2 WITCH. Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork, and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg, and owlet’s wing,—
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
3 WITCH. Scale of dragon; tooth of wolf;
Witches’ mummy; maw and gulf
Of the ravin’d salt-sea shark;
Root of hemlock digg’d i the dark;
Liver of blaspheming Jew;
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Sliver’d in the moon’s eclipse;
Nose of Turk, and Tartar’s lips;
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-deliver’d by a drab,—
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a tiger’s chaudron,
For the ingrediants of our caldron.
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
2 WITCH. Cool it with a baboon’s blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.
wouldn`t he
Vic

Actually, a cookbook template is to the point. A couple of years ago, my wife was asked by a chef friend to help with a book he was writing — since published — for which the publishers/his agent had come up with an editor who, shall we say, wasn’t really up to the job. I’m not sure what software my wife used, but it might have been Nisus Writer Express, or possibly NeoOffice. Anyway, it got published and was sufficiently successful for the publishers to propose that he write another.

At that time I was already a dedicated Scrivener user, and suggested she do the new one in Scriv. To that end, I took the previous manuscript, imported it and simply split it up as if it had been a .scriv project, so that she would be able to see how it would be so much easier to do and organise compared with NWE. Sadly, it doesn’t seem to have gone any further; her friend had agreed that my wife should produce the manuscript, which wouldn’t have needed so much work by the publishers’ editor, but he got involved in too many other projects and simply seems to have forgotten about it.

A template for doing such work, with the new binder possibilities, would be great … and as Ahab says, cookbooks are like mushrooms in the book market.

Mark

Another suggestion, and there are many on this forum who are even better equipped to do it than me, would be a lecture course template. The idea comes from a brief exchange with “rickdude” — in the best L&L forums tradition, somewhat off-topic! — on the “Index Card for iPad” thread
https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/index-card-for-ipad/8030/1
so I won’t re-iterate my burblings on that.
However, I do think a template set up for lecture preparation would be a good idea. If I can find time, I’ll try putting one together myself, but would welcome any suggestion from the other academics on the forum. The flow I have in mind is basic work done in Scrivener, then export set ups for the following two:
1 .scriv —> OPML —> OOPro —> Keynote for tarting up for presentation;
2 .scriv —> RTF —> wordprocessor/page-make-up program of choice.
A document template should be set up to ensure the simplicity of the first so that the data occurs in the right place on the basic Keynote format exported by OOPro.
It should include a document template for a bibliography that could be set up through the users bibliography software of choice … not sure how this could be done …
Perhaps it could include document template for assessments, though again I’m not sure how that could be done, given that people use many different approaches to assessment.
I don’t know how PowerPoint would fit into my basic workflow for those who use that rather than Keynote. On the rare occasions when I am forced into PowerPoint, I set up the presentation in Keynote, export to .ppt and then spend a long time sorting out fonts, transitions etc. using OpenOffice.

Another thought is a translation template. Scrivener is an ideal environment for doing/editing translations. There are a number of us on the forum, I believe, doing such work, and I’d love to know, in particular, if any have found a good solution to building a glossary within a .scriv translation project. I confess to abject failure to do any such thing, and kick myself all the time when I have to refer yet again to an external dictionary for the umpteenth time for a given expression.

Mark

This isn’t actually a request for a specific template, but an idea to make de facto templates possible. Often, the first time I realize what kind of template I want is when I’ve already written a piece of work of that type, so the usual way to make a template is to save an existing project as a template. The problem with that is that a new project made from that template contains all the text of the first project, which has to be deleted. If templates could instead come out with no text (or a couple of lines of lorem ipsum text if that’s considered preferable), I think templates would be a bit more convenient.

Does this forum’s attachment function handle Scrivener templates, or should we email them somewhere?

I agree with rickdude’s proposal. Don’t know if the proposal is possible, but the few minutes that would save would be wonderful.

One more idea: Ph.D./MA dissertation/thesis. I know there are lots of variations but the general schema is presumably fairly similar in most places:

Acknowledgements
List of Tables
List of Figures
Abstract

  1. INTRODUCTION
    1.1 Background
    1.2 Context of the study
    1.3 Research questions
    1.4 Significance of the study

  2. LITERATURE REVIEW
    2.1. Introduction
    2.2
    2.2.1
    2.2.2
    2.3
    2.3.1
    2.3.2

  3. CHAPTER 3
    3.1
    3.1.1
    3.1.2
    3.2

  4. Chapter 4

  5. Chapter 5

  6. Chapter 6

APPENDICES
A.
B.
C.
D.

REFERENCES

Although I’ve owned a licence to Scrivener for a long time, I still don’t consider myself very good at using it, so I’m not sure to what extent it would be sensible to plug all this in there from the start.

One more: Conference (Proposal)

The idea is that you keep together everything involved in preparing for a conference from the original call for papers through the submission of a proposal through reviewers’ comments through the abstract/synopsis to be included in the conference program through hotel and travel info to (optionally) the text document that you create as the basis for a Keynote/PowerPoint presentation (if that’s how you work). Arguably, if Xiamenese’s lecture course template becomes a reality, there’s some overlap there.

A provisional menu:

Call for Papers
Conference Website
Submission Instructions
Key Dates
Travel & Accommodation
Draft Proposal
Actual Proposal
Reviewers’ Comments
Abstract/Synopsis for Conference Programme
Notes for actual presentation

Again, I’m not really sure to what extent it makes sense to include all of these in a template.

Hi,

Many thanks for all the suggestions - there are some really great ones here. The lecture template is a good idea, and something Ioa and I were talking about only yesterday, so any guidance there would be great. I’ll go through all the other suggestions in detail later, after my fourteen hours of coding for the day ( :slight_smile: ), so please don’t think I’m ignoring you by not discussing it here - I’m going to come back to all of this. I’ve spent the last couple of days tweaking some Scrivener features to make sure it can produce certain templates (such as a strong MLA and APA template format, and export to RTF using columns for certain scientific templates), so I’ll be returning to actually building the rest of the templates over the weekend.

On this one:

No, this isn’t possible, and if you think about it you will soon realise why - how is Scrivener to know exactly which documents should have text in them and which shouldn’t? How can it know which documents should be deleted? It’s simply impossible without completely destroying the flexibility the current template system offers. However, Scrivener 2.0’s Save As feature (finally!) and the fact that projects will remember their template descriptions when you use the Save As Template sheet, mean that template creation from an existing project will be easer in 2.0. Just Save As to make a copy of the project, then edit it down to contain only the elements you want for the template, then Save As Template.

The forum should handle it fine - it might be best to upload as a zipped-up .scriv project, though, so that I can edit it into 2.0 format directly rather than have to save the template to my App Support folder first. Thanks!

Thanks and all the best,
Keith

How about the creative approach of random deletions? No, but seriously, folks, the Save As method sounds perfectly fine.

And I just wanted to confirm: This template deal isn’t a now-or-never thing, right? In other words, once 2.0 is out with a limited selection of templates, can we assume you’ll still be open to new template requests?

No, that’s going to be it. I’m going to refuse to add any more templates ever and I’m going to delete all ways of making them yourselves, so speak now, buhahah etc. :slight_smile: Er… No, of course I’ll still be receptive to new ideas for templates after 2.0 is out. The new templates chooser, and templates creator for that matter, is much easier to use:

So with these improvements I’m hoping that more users will see the possibilities and that we can start building up a greater selection of templates as time goes on. I just want to make sure that we have a strong selection for release so that we have no categories sparse or blank (obviously the “Poetry & Lyrics” category is a little optimistic :slight_smile: ).

All the best,
Keith

I would like to see no additional templates included - and I’m serious here. Won’t all this just bloat the application?

By all means, create templates or modules that can be added as necessary. But surely users should be responsible for creating some of these? Indeed, why are you including these for free? Why not make them paid-for extras, since they seem to involve a lot of extra work. Use the additional revenue generated from selling templates to lawyers, business writers and religious preachers to reduce the upgrade price for us struggling novelists :slight_smile:

The upgrade price is already pretty cheap, even by struggling novelist standards. :slight_smile:

The reason I’m creating these templates is user demand. A lot of academic users come to Scrivener and are put off that all the provided templates are for fiction or scriptwriting, and out-of-the-box templates are a good draw for new users. Templates allow new users to see just what Scrivener can do without having to poke around looking in all the menus, and potential users could easily think that Scrivener isn’t capable of, say, generating an MLA-formatted essay, and so move onto different software, when in fact Scrivener is very flexible and can cope with a lot of different formats.

Best,
Keith